Don't be surprised if Josh Allen has a bumpy 2022

[billsfanmiamioh]

43 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

No.
 

1. Machines was spanking the Bengals in the first half.  A SMART coaching staff made an effective halftime adjustment.

 

2. Teams have had plenty of time to come Iup with a “Mahomes Treatment” for Josh.  Their results are known.

 

 

Once again, ask Bengals fans about how “smart” they feel their coaching staff is. Some of Taylor’s game day decisions in the last couple yrs make McD look like a genius. Mahomes / Chiefs totally imploded and Bengals didn’t. If the Chiefs score at the end of the game inside the 10 like they do most of the time, everyone would be absolutely roasting Taylor for kicking a FG and “leaving Mahomes too much time” especially after last week. I swear a lot of people around here really don’t follow other teams in the league and think that only our coaches screw up. 

[ProcessTruster]

Josh Allen is this generation's John Elway.   He's just waiting for his Terrell Davis.   Get er done McBeanes.  

[Greg S]

15 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I think there might be some bumps and adjustments, but I think that Josh will adjust quickly.  One of his best assets is his ability to learn.  Young quarterbacks often go through a period of success but then have to adjust.  Some do, some don't.  Baker was great his rookie year, but he still hasn't been able to change once the defense learns how to play him.  On the other hand, do you remember 2 years ago with Josh playing the Patriots? Bellichick went cover zero and Josh couldn't handle it.  Now, teams don't dare to go cover zero on Josh, he'll destroy them.  (Actually, I seem to remember that some team recently tried cover zero and got torched for a touchdown.  Might have been the Patriots.)  So then he couldn't play in weather or struggled against cover 2....but he quickly adjusted and then was great at these.  So, it is very difficult to take something away from him.  He'll quickly learn to make that defense an advantage.

 

I think Josh is at the point where he is simply one of the best QB's in the league and he has seen every defense scheme/system thrown at him. Next year is his 5th so I don't see him regressing or having problems especially if the Bills promote Dorsey to OC. They will probably run the same offense which Josh likes and is comfortable with. Dorsey may tweak some things but overall I think it will be a continuation of what he and Daboll have been doing. But if a new OC is brought in I think Josh will adjust just fine. He has the skill, experience and success in the league to handle it.

[Golden*Wheels]

jeez maybe a new head mind and a new offensive scheme actually fires him up and helps him raise up to even another level.

 

Half full. Half empty. My days of viewing the Bills as half empty are over!

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

Once again, ask Bengals fans about how “smart” they feel their coaching staff is. Some of Taylor’s game day decisions in the last couple yrs make McD look like a genius. Mahomes / Chiefs totally imploded and Bengals didn’t. If the Chiefs score at the end of the game inside the 10 like they do most of the time, everyone would be absolutely roasting Taylor for kicking a FG and “leaving Mahomes too much time” especially after last week. I swear a lot of people around here really don’t follow other teams in the league and think that only our coaches screw up. 

 

 

Is this a joke?? 

 

The staff completely stopped a runaway train after the halftime break.  Did you watch the game?  They stymied Mahomes--he was running for his life.  KC even won that magical OT coin toss---and were shut down again.

 

But yeah, with the rotting carcass of Andy Dalton and only half a season of a rookie Burrow last year, it was the game day decisions by their 1st time (not veteran) HC that did the Bengals in the last couple of years.

 

 

[Buffalo Ballin]

10 hours ago, beebe said:

Quite honestly, reading this forum, I would expect nothing less than 5000 yards, 40 TDs and single-digit INTs from Allen in 2022. 🙂

It IS possible for Josh Allen to do this even though I have no expectations for it. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers do this on the regular. Especially Aaron Rodgers. He's a genius. Josh should be getting 5000 yards every season with that mega laser arm. I rather see that than him running 700 yards.

 

Maybe this is blasphemy, but I don't care: Josh Allen has to reduce his running from now on during the regular season. He's running way too much. Save that for the playoffs. We want him to perform at elite level well into his 40s. If he keeps playing this way, he will not last into his early 30s. He'll be retired knocked out of the game. GM Beane knows this.

 

Even though he made the Pro Bowl, look at Seattle's Russell Wilson: all that running and now at the age of 33, he's declining fast. Don't believe me? Look at his season stats.

 

Beane has to get quality running backs; preferably power backs, to do the majority of the runs and upgrading the O-line.

 

Josh Allen has to start dissecting defenses with his arm, going small ball more.

[teef]

39 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Considering how they suck on the road in the playoffs. I would say lets give the homefield advantage thing a try.

that was my initial thought too...until some posters showed me stats letting me know that josh would play like he had two broken legs if the playoffs were in buffalo.

[Ramza86]

I feel like Josh and Mahomes got that treatment this year.

 

Tampa gave away the blueprint to beating Mahomes. Josh Allen is a similar QB, so teams did the same thing to him.

 

It took him a while to get used to it...but we all saw him overcome the soft defense. 

 

The only thing that I think slows us down next year is getting used to and using this new offensive scheme effectively. 

[Southern_Bills]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Is this a joke?? 

 

The staff completely stopped a runaway train after the halftime break.  Did you watch the game?  They stymied Mahomes--he was running for his life.  KC even won that magical OT coin toss---and were shut down again.

 

But yeah, with the rotting carcass of Andy Dalton and only half a season of a rookie Burrow last year, it was the game day decisions by their 1st time (not veteran) HC that did the Bengals in the last couple of years.

 

 

 

Eh, I get it, the Bengals got it done. Still no one can effectively watch the second half of that game and say KC played their best ball. Kudos to Cincy, they did what they had to do, not their fault Mahomes had a bad game.

 

If you look at Cincys 3 playoff opponents though they got really fortunate. Raiders committed more penalties than known to man, and Cincy got a TD after a whistle.

 

Tannehill imploded, Mahomes played like junk. I'm sour because the Bills didn't have the same luck, we got 110% Mahomes. 

 

I'm glad for the Bengals, not happy,  but Glad.

[corta765]

This is one of dumbest most pointless threads in some time. Lock it up mods

[Southern_Bills]

Just now, corta765 said:

This is one of dumbest most pointless threads in some time. Lock it up mods

 

Glad you could contribute, is this like yelling at kids to get off your lawn?

[corta765]

10 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

Glad you could contribute, is this like yelling at kids to get off your lawn?

I prefer to yell at clouds

[Southern_Bills]

4 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I prefer to yell at clouds

 

I agree, much more effective. 

[billsfanmiamioh]

23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Is this a joke?? 

 

The staff completely stopped a runaway train after the halftime break.  Did you watch the game?  They stymied Mahomes--he was running for his life.  KC even won that magical OT coin toss---and were shut down again.

 

But yeah, with the rotting carcass of Andy Dalton and only half a season of a rookie Burrow last year, it was the game day decisions by their 1st time (not veteran) HC that did the Bengals in the last couple of years.

 

 

Are you a joke? Never mind…Listen to some local chatter about the Bengals staff for the last 2 years and get back to me. The chiefs puked all over themselves. 

[JohnNord]

11 hours ago, beebe said:

I'll start with this: I think the Bills are the favorite to earn the 1-seed in the AFC next year. But I think they'll do it with Josh Allen enduring a season that comes up short of the monster expectations that have been placed upon him.

 

I've been reading Chiefs-Bengals postgame coverage, and it's predictably terrible, with the main thesis being that "Mahomes choked" in the 2nd half. It is true: Mahomes put together arguably his worst half as a pro—on the heels of one of his best. But the Bengals deserve credit for putting together a nice defensive plan, one that took advantage of two Chiefs tendencies: Andy's unwillingness to stick to the run; and Mahomes' desire to be aggressive and make plays. The Bengals dropped eight into coverage on roughly half of Mahomes' second half pass attempts, all but begging the Chiefs to run, and also a QB spy, all but eliminating Mahomes' ability to scramble free as he did so often vs Buffalo a week earlier. It worked to perfection. Mahomes kept force feeding passes into tight windows (no one was open) and the Chiefs kept throwing on 2nd-and-5s. The Bengals also got pressure on Mahomes with three-man rushes, sacking him twice in the 2nd half and chasing him around the yard a handful of other times. 

 

Anyway, this isn't the first time Mahomes has been 'solved.' And it won't be the last. Mahomes was downright terrible earlier this year. In a five-week stretch starting with the Bills game, Mahomes had six TDs vs six INTs, easily the worst stretch of play in a four-year career that has ended in either the AFC title game or the Super Bowl every time. Having watched every snap of Mahomes' career, there's no doubt he's better now at age 26 than he was at age 23. He will keep getting better. But he'll keep getting the "Mahomes Treatment," with defensive coordinators literally spending their offseasons inventing ways to stop him. Mahomes saw growth this year in mastering the two-high safety looks that confounded him in the Super Bowl and early in 2021. He became a more patient QB—his best display of patience probably came vs the Bills in the Divisional Round. But in the end, the Bengals got him, throwing new wrinkles at him that other defenses largely avoided; and play calling did Mahomes no favors either (especially in 2nd half.) 

 

All this to say: Josh Allen is about to start getting the Mahomes Treatment. Every team on Buffalo's schedule is going to spend extra time studying him and finding ways to beat him. And someone - perhaps Belichick, but maybe someone else - will find something that works. And every team will copy it. Doesn't mean they'll shut him down. Doesn't mean the Bills will start losing to teams like the Jets and Dolphins. But there will be turbulence, and I suspect you will see him go through a slump and his numbers will decline in 2022. 

 

The counter argument is that Allen's numbers should have been even better in 2021 than they were. I don't think any team played in worse weather conditions than the Bills did this year. The uncommonly easy schedule partially offsets that perhaps, but his stats still would have been better.

 

Which reminds me: MVP voting is such a sham. Comparing Josh Allen stats (wintry Buffalo) vs Tom Brady stats (sunny TB with four road games played in domes) is utterly stupid. It would be like having a PGA Tour event where half the field plays in perfect weather while the other half tees off in 30 MPH wind and pouring rain. Gee, I wonder who will come out on top? 

Remember the “Josh Allen Will regress” narratives in 2020 and 2021?  As far as Josh getting the “Mahomes treatment,” it seems like that already happened.  The Bills struggled with that early in the season.  What changes?  A more efficient running game and the short passing game.  You have to think this only gets better next year.  I have a feeling 2022 will be Josh’s best season 

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

11 hours ago, beebe said:

Josh Allen is about to start getting the Mahomes Treatment.

 

He's been getting that already. 

 

Daboll is leaving, but Josh is fully trained at this point.

 

A good buddy of mine is the landlord to Josh's barber.  Josh was in last week and told the barber...

 

"Next year I am going to throw for 60 TDs and run in another 10."

 #GoBills

[KGun12TD]

Why you gotta put this bad JUJU on Allen? WHY? UGH! What if he becomes the first 6000 Yards 50 TDs Passer? How about writing something like that?

[78thealltimegreat]

12 hours ago, beebe said:

I'll start with this: I think the Bills are the favorite to earn the 1-seed in the AFC next year. But I think they'll do it with Josh Allen enduring a season that comes up short of the monster expectations that have been placed upon him.

 

I've been reading Chiefs-Bengals postgame coverage, and it's predictably terrible, with the main thesis being that "Mahomes choked" in the 2nd half. It is true: Mahomes put together arguably his worst half as a pro—on the heels of one of his best. But the Bengals deserve credit for putting together a nice defensive plan, one that took advantage of two Chiefs tendencies: Andy's unwillingness to stick to the run; and Mahomes' desire to be aggressive and make plays. The Bengals dropped eight into coverage on roughly half of Mahomes' second half pass attempts, all but begging the Chiefs to run, and also a QB spy, all but eliminating Mahomes' ability to scramble free as he did so often vs Buffalo a week earlier. It worked to perfection. Mahomes kept force feeding passes into tight windows (no one was open) and the Chiefs kept throwing on 2nd-and-5s. The Bengals also got pressure on Mahomes with three-man rushes, sacking him twice in the 2nd half and chasing him around the yard a handful of other times. 

 

Anyway, this isn't the first time Mahomes has been 'solved.' And it won't be the last. Mahomes was downright terrible earlier this year. In a five-week stretch starting with the Bills game, Mahomes had six TDs vs six INTs, easily the worst stretch of play in a four-year career that has ended in either the AFC title game or the Super Bowl every time. Having watched every snap of Mahomes' career, there's no doubt he's better now at age 26 than he was at age 23. He will keep getting better. But he'll keep getting the "Mahomes Treatment," with defensive coordinators literally spending their offseasons inventing ways to stop him. Mahomes saw growth this year in mastering the two-high safety looks that confounded him in the Super Bowl and early in 2021. He became a more patient QB—his best display of patience probably came vs the Bills in the Divisional Round. But in the end, the Bengals got him, throwing new wrinkles at him that other defenses largely avoided; and play calling did Mahomes no favors either (especially in 2nd half.) 

 

All this to say: Josh Allen is about to start getting the Mahomes Treatment. Every team on Buffalo's schedule is going to spend extra time studying him and finding ways to beat him. And someone - perhaps Belichick, but maybe someone else - will find something that works. And every team will copy it. Doesn't mean they'll shut him down. Doesn't mean the Bills will start losing to teams like the Jets and Dolphins. But there will be turbulence, and I suspect you will see him go through a slump and his numbers will decline in 2022. 

 

The counter argument is that Allen's numbers should have been even better in 2021 than they were. I don't think any team played in worse weather conditions than the Bills did this year. The uncommonly easy schedule partially offsets that perhaps, but his stats still would have been better.

 

Which reminds me: MVP voting is such a sham. Comparing Josh Allen stats (wintry Buffalo) vs Tom Brady stats (sunny TB with four road games played in domes) is utterly stupid. It would be like having a PGA Tour event where half the field plays in perfect weather while the other half tees off in 30 MPH wind and pouring rain. Gee, I wonder who will come out on top? 

Yeh Hoodie couldn’t get Josh Allen to punt…twice when Josh is on he’s the crane technique from the Karate Kid…no defense

[eball]

I’m sorry you wasted so much time writing that. Almost as sorry as I am for taking the time to read it. 

[CaptnCoke11]

Can’t believe teams are just now figuring out Josh Allen is good and are all collaborating together on how to stop him.