VABills Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 But the wife fought to keep him alive, theropy, drugs, etc.... Miracles do happen, and it's shows what happens when a spouse belives and wants you around. Good thing she just didn't want him offed for his life insurance. Nor does it look like she had another boyfriend or had kids with him. http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/...y.ap/index.html Herbert went without oxygen for 10 minutes after being trapped under a collapsed roof while fighting a house fire in December 1995. He spent more than two months in a coma, was blind and had little, if any, memory. In the past several years, his condition had sunk to a near persistent vegetative state, Ahmed said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 here we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movinon Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Go figure, someone drawing parallels between this and the Shciavo case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 But the wife fought to keep him alive, theropy, drugs, etc.... Miracles do happen, and it's shows what happens when a spouse belives and wants you around. Good thing she just didn't want him offed for his life insurance. Nor does it look like she had another boyfriend or had kids with him. http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/...y.ap/index.html 329199[/snapback] "Near" = "in"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 The articles say that he occasionally spoke and even could sometimes follow commands. That's not PVS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Umm, there's a huge difference here. Schiavo lost all function with the exception of her cerebral cortex. This guy didn't. But the wife fought to keep him alive, theropy, drugs, etc.... Miracles do happen, and it's shows what happens when a spouse belives and wants you around. Good thing she just didn't want him offed for his life insurance. Nor does it look like she had another boyfriend or had kids with him. http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/...y.ap/index.html 329199[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Terri's autopsy report is already gone to 5 weeks. I hear next week it will be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 5, 2005 Author Share Posted May 5, 2005 Umm, there's a huge difference here. Schiavo lost all function with the exception of her cerebral cortex. This guy didn't. 329634[/snapback] No offense Todd, but she also wasn't offered the opportunity for rehab and expermental theropy like this firefighter was. Who knows what could have happened if the person responsible for her care loved her as much as this spouse seemed to care for and find things to help her husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 No offense Todd, but she also wasn't offered the opportunity for rehab and expermental theropy like this firefighter was. Who knows what could have happened if the person responsible for her care loved her as much as this spouse seemed to care for and find things to help her husband. 329677[/snapback] She coudln't be offered that opportunity. She had a completely different situation. The only thing left was her cortex, wich controlled the most basic of her lifesigns. He was higher functioning, and had different brain signs. Completely different. I'm all for giving someone a chance, but Schiavo was completely dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 She coudln't be offered that opportunity. She had a completely different situation. The only thing left was her cortex, wich controlled the most basic of her lifesigns. He was higher functioning, and had different brain signs. Completely different. I'm all for giving someone a chance, but Schiavo was completely dead. 329743[/snapback] You think. Wait for the autopsy, then decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beausox Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 She coudln't be offered that opportunity. She had a completely different situation. The only thing left was her cortex, wich controlled the most basic of her lifesigns. He was higher functioning, and had different brain signs. Completely different. I'm all for giving someone a chance, but Schiavo was completely dead. 329743[/snapback] I think we all agree that she is certainly dead now as in completely dead as opposed to life that inconveniently continues to annoy us. If Terri could have given an opinion........ the vast majority of us , 67% in Gallup/NYT poll, would give a thumbs down. Thats a clear majority. And now this wife comes along. It is so tiresome what with summer and baseball and 4th of July and weddings and births of deserving babies........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 You think. Wait for the autopsy, then decide. 329890[/snapback] I really think people are grasping for straws on this Schiavo thing by comparing any situation they percieve as similar to hers. She was DEAD. She couldn't think. Her brain was only capable of controlling her heart and most basic of bodily functions. Compare that to this guy, who was quite a bit more higher functioning than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 No offense Todd, but she also wasn't offered the opportunity for rehab and expermental theropy like this firefighter was. Who knows what could have happened if the person responsible for her care loved her as much as this spouse seemed to care for and find things to help her husband. 329677[/snapback] Actually, her husband tried several therapies, even sending her to California for experimental therapies involving a thalamic stimulator. From the Wikipedia entry: On May 12, 1990, Terri was discharged to the College Park Skilled Care and Rehabilitation facility. On June 18, the court appointed Michael Schiavo as Terri's legal guardian, without objection from the Schindlers. Terri was transferred to Bayfront Hospital for further rehabilitation efforts on June 30. Terri Schiavo came home to her family in September; however, after becoming overwhelmed with Terri's needs, the family sent her back to the College Park facility. In November, Michael Schiavo took Terri to the University of California, San Francisco for an experimental procedure involving the placement of a thalamic stimulator implant in Terri's brain. The experimental treatment took several months but was unsuccessful. Michael returned to Florida with her in January 1991 and admitted her to a brain injury center in Bradenton, often "taking her to parks and public places in hopes of sparking some recovery." Michael Schiavo also began studying nursing at St. Petersburg Community College to better care for his wife; eventually, he became a respiratory therapist and emergency room nurse. [8] The doctor's use of "near PVS" was obviously a sensationalistic ploy to get the Hot Pockets crowd who are more interested in the 5 word summary than truly understanding what was going on. Looks like it worked... If you can pay attention to an article for more than five seconds, you may want to read this, which explains how there's a vast difference between Herbert's condition and Schiavo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 His wife cared and Schiavo's husband didn't. Relying on Wikpedia for factual information is like relying on a fin fan for factual info on the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 His wife cared and Schiavo's husband didn't. Relying on Wikpedia for factual information is like relying on a fin fan for factual info on the Bills. 330110[/snapback] Sorry, I figured something that was shorter than the actual Wolfson (state-appointed GAL) Report would suffice, especially when the Wikipedia entry paraphrases what is in the report (if you scroll down to the "historical facts" section). Theresa spent two and a half months as an inpatient at Humana Northside Hospital, eventually emerging from her coma state, but not recovering consciousness. On 12 May 1990, following extensive testing, therapy and observation, she was discharged to the College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility. Forty-nine days later, she was transferred again to Bayfront Hospital for additional, aggressive rehabilitation efforts. In September of 1990, she was brought home, but following only three weeks, she was returned to the College Park facility because the "family was overwhelmed by Terry's care needs." On 18 June 1990, Michael was formally appointed by the court to serve as Theresa's legal guardian, because she was adjudicated to be incompetent by law. Michael's appointment was undisputed by the parties. The clinical records within the massive case file indicate that Theresa was not responsive to neurological and swallowing tests. She received regular and intense physical, occupational and speech therapies. Theresa's husband, Michael Schiavo and her mother, Mary Schindler, were virtual partners in their care of and dedication to Theresa. There is no question but that complete trust, mutual caring, explicit love and a common goal of caring for and rehabilitating Theresa, were the shared intentions of Michael Shiavo and the Schindlers. In late Autumn of 1990, following months of therapy and testing, formal diagnoses of persistent vegetative state with no evidence of improvement, Michael took Theresa to California, where she received an experimental thalamic stimulator implant in her brain. Michael remained in California caring for Theresa during a period of several months and returned to Florida with her in January of 1991. Theresa was transferred to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Brandon, where she received 24 hour skilled care, physical, occupational, speech and recreational therapies. Despite aggressive therapies, physician and other clinical assessments consistently revealed no functional abilities, only reflexive, rather than cognitive movements, random eye opening, no communication system and little change cognitively or functionally. On 19 July 1991 Theresa was transferred to the Sable Palms skilled care facility. Periodic neurological exams, regular and aggressive physical, occupational and speech therapy continued through 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Sorry, I figured something that was shorter than the actual Wolfson (state-appointed GAL) Report would suffice, especially when the Wikipedia entry paraphrases what is in the report (if you scroll down to the "historical facts" section). 330156[/snapback] Yeah, sure does sound like he didn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Guess what? She's still dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Is it too late to have Congress take the Supreme Court by the arm and force them to approve a new piece of legislation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 His wife cared and Schiavo's husband didn't. Relying on Wikpedia for factual information is like relying on a fin fan for factual info on the Bills. 330110[/snapback] Honk Honk! Liberal Media! Activist Judges! Yayyyyyyyyyeeeeeee!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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