BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Evian said: Agreed. Just like if there is a superior black coach or black quarterback they will get a job. This nonsense black coaches and quarterback don't get a shot is ludicrous. Again, no. Like, not at all. What you're saying is the opposite of true and the reason that things like The Rooney Rule exist. 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Perhaps but there hasn't been one for 18 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Apke Quote
Franco_92 Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: So white people make up 88% of the population? Interesting. Black people make up 12% of the population, but the rooney rule applies to persons of color, who make up 37% of the population. So yes, I would agree with the OP because of math. The math is even more galling when you consider the nuance of the racial disparity in a league where 75% of players are minorities and 75% of head coaches are white. I was referring to blacks, not non-whites. There are other non-whites in football, but the crux of most of these debates center on blacks because most NFL personnel are white or black, other minorities don't come up in numbers relative to discussion because even though they comprise (100 - 56 - 12)% of the population, they don't play or coach American football in significant numbers. But anyway, my point was just to poke fun at your "the little baby is whining about something completely insiginficant" attitude when the histrionics necessary to describe a sample size of literally five positions as "embarrassing" are entirely reflective of who actually tends to be obsessive and emotional regarding "racial issues" in general Edited January 31, 2022 by arcane Quote
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Again, no. Like, not at all. What you're saying is the opposite of true and the reason that things like The Rooney Rule exist. We have had a SB between teams with black coaches. 1 Quote
Freak-O Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 You’d think that in a multi billion dollar industry like the NFL the most competent coaches would be hired regardless of skin colour and this rule wouldn’t be needed. I don’t know what would piss me off more, not getting a job because of being a certain colour or being interviewed for a job as a good will token and nothing more. 1 4 Quote
First Round Bust Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Why is it OK to have a racial disparity in players but not coaches? because the process of player selection (free agency, draft, waiver cuts and picks and the biggest chubby..a..trade) is color-blind; its transparent, its watching college games and wishing the Bills could draft THAT guy, the senior bowl where Beane and company are or will be, the combine, then the mock drafts, the draft itself (a non-football event that every NFL city wishes it coulkd host) and we ultimately expect the best to be selected. we argue need over talent or vice versa and whether or not its wise to draft a guard early or a punter at all....none based on color or the need to cuz Its based on workouts, physcal and mental testing, stats, metrics and analytics, comparison, scouting, hours of tape review, interviews, ranking all and by position and need, and at the end it based on talent and skill and not the color of the players skin which in the end is great thing...and unfortuantely the hiring process for coaches and coordinators cannot say the same I applaud those who try because its hard, they are trying to change things amognst the powerful and rich for the better and when you do that you get unfairly criticzed by those who are ignorant and insecure. Its easy to look to our left and to the right and find fault, try looking up, for those are ones saying look to your left and right.... 1 Quote
Augie Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, teef said: habanero level spicy! We are heading toward the ghost peppers, I’m afraid! 1 1 1 Quote
teef Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Augie said: We are heading toward the ghost peppers, I’m afraid! Bite by tiny bite. Quote
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, First Round Bust said: s based on workouts, physcal and mental testing, stats, metrics and analytics, comparison, scouting, hours of tape review, interviews, ranking all and by position and need, and at the end it based on talent and skill and not the color of the players skin which in the end is great thing...and unfortuantely the hiring process for coaches and coordinators cannot say the same How do you know its not the same? Can you name a case where a black coach was not hired cuz he was black? Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Way too many people in this thread that are way too comfortable exposing who they are. 1 1 1 1 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, arcane said: I was referring to blacks, not non-whites. There are other non-whites in football, but the crux of most of these debates center on blacks because most NFL personnel are white or black, other minorities don't come up in numbers relative to discussion because even though they comprise (100 - 56 - 12)% of the population, they don't play or coach American football in significant numbers. But anyway, my point was just to poke fun at your "the little baby is whining about something completely insiginficant" attitude when the histrionics necessary to describe a sample size of literally five positions as "embarrassing" are entirely reflective of who actually tends to be obsessive and emotional regarding "racial issues" in general Robert Saleh & Ron Rivera? You missed a huge detail about the Rooney rule that makes the percentage of people it affects at about 4x your claim. Quote
Chaos Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, billswhip said: This board has some questions on the rule specifics as is pertain to hiring.... The NFL has tinkered with the Rooney Rule several times since the embarrassing hiring cycle following the 2019 regular season when just one of five coaching vacancies was filled by a person of color. In May 2020, the league changed the Rooney Rule to require teams to interview at least two external minority candidates for a head coaching job and at least one external minority candidate for a coordinator job. BUF is required to comply and interview aft least one external minority candidate for any coordinator opening 13% of the population is African American. Why is a hiring rate of 20% embarrassing? 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chaos said: 13% of the population is African American. Why is a hiring rate of 20% embarrassing? Who said anything about african amercians? What's the population of white people and people of color? Edited January 31, 2022 by BullBuchanan Quote
Augie Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Funny thing is, when I hear a team is interviewing this guy or that guy, I almost never know if he’s white, black, Hispanic or whatever. And I don’t care. 3 Quote
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, billswhip said: This board has some questions on the rule specifics as is pertain to hiring.... The NFL has tinkered with the Rooney Rule several times since the embarrassing hiring cycle following the 2019 regular season when just one of five coaching vacancies was filled by a person of color. In May 2020, the league changed the Rooney Rule to require teams to interview at least two external minority candidates for a head coaching job and at least one external minority candidate for a coordinator job. BUF is required to comply and interview aft least one external minority candidate for any coordinator opening Requirements were changed this fall https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/27/nfl-updates-rooney-rule-hiring-cycle-timeline/ Quote Starting with this hiring cycle, clubs must now interview two external minority candidates for all G.M. and coordinator jobs. That mirrors the requirement for head coach hirings. In addition, teams must conduct at least one in-person interview with a minority candidate for all head coaching and General Manager openings. 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Then who else are the Giants interviewing besides Dorsey? Given this expansion of the rule, sure seems like all those reports from Saturday night saying Giants offered a deal to Dorsey and it was as good as done were a little... premature? Not surprising for the Twitterverse, and most of those tweets were from Giants-based folk. Unless they were from Dorsey's agent... Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, Lost said: If the world is all about equity over substance now, shouldn't we have a rule that at least 2 women be interviewed for coaching positions as well then? You should be grateful the world is ‘about equity over substance now’ or dumbass posts like this would never see the light of day. Quote
Chaos Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: Who said anything about african amercians? What's the population of white people and people of color? 73% white. 50% women. Zero women, Zero Asians. Zero India Indians. NFL is widely over represented on white and african american men and widely underspresented on every everyone else. 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Freak-O said: You’d think that in a multi billion dollar industry like the NFL the most competent coaches would be hired regardless of skin colour and this rule wouldn’t be needed. I don’t know what would piss me off more, not getting a job because of being a certain colour or being interviewed for a job as a good will token and nothing more. Every interview is a chance to get a job, and even if you don't get a particular job it helps you next time. 1 1 Quote
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Simon said: If I was in those guys' shoes, I'm not sure I would consider the opportunity to meet and talk to people that I would have never otherwise had as being "used". We used to say there was no such thing as a bad interview opportunity. If nothing else, it's valuable practice, and it gives the guys interviewed but not hired contacts and an opening to reach out and ask about what experience or preparation would make them stronger candidates for the next round. 3 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: Every interview is a chance to get a job, and even if you don't get a particular job it helps you next time. Right. Like how dumb or privileged do you have to be to see an opportunity to interview for an extremely limited, extremely sought after position as a bad thing? "not getting a job because of being a certain colour" is DEFINITELY the answer for which should piss someone off more. Quote
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