billswhip Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 This board has some questions on the rule specifics as is pertain to hiring.... The NFL has tinkered with the Rooney Rule several times since the embarrassing hiring cycle following the 2019 regular season when just one of five coaching vacancies was filled by a person of color. In May 2020, the league changed the Rooney Rule to require teams to interview at least two external minority candidates for a head coaching job and at least one external minority candidate for a coordinator job. BUF is required to comply and interview aft least one external minority candidate for any coordinator opening Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Then who else are the Giants interviewing besides Dorsey? Given this expansion of the rule, sure seems like all those reports from Saturday night saying Giants offered a deal to Dorsey and it was as good as done were a little... premature? Not surprising for the Twitterverse, and most of those tweets were from Giants-based folk. Quote
wppete Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Just an awful rule. Can’t believe it’s still being used. IMHO. 7 1 1 2 1 8 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Just an awful rule. Can’t believe it’s still being used. IMHO. Bad opinion, given its effectiveness and simplicity. But you are entitled to it. 3 1 5 3 2 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 The Bills are interviewing Tee Martin to comply with the Rooney rule. I'd ask him "Why were you drafted before Tom Brady?" and see how he responds under pressure. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, wppete said: Just an awful rule. Can’t believe it’s still being used. IMHO. Like anything, teams will get out of it what they put into it. If teams treat it like a "box to check" they may miss out. Beane and McD strike me as more of the "job is in the details" types. I'm sure they are doing due diligence on a guy that they may actually be interested in rather that shortcut it to "check a box". My personal feelings is when someone shouts "Rooney Rule interview" it reveals way more about themselves then the teams hiring. 6 1 3 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, wppete said: Just an awful rule. Can’t believe it’s still being used. IMHO. I requires an interview. In other words it requires you to spend a couple hours of your time considering an option that's underrepresented. But please, tell us more about what a travesty it is. 1 1 4 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I requires an interview. In other words it requires you to spend a couple hours of your time considering an option that's underrepresented. But please, tell us more about what a travesty it is. I should have noted that I say this as someone who doesn't believe in "diversity hires". The best candidate should get the job - that can include reasons related to the nature of their "diverse" status. maybe they have unique perspective or have faced adversity others haven't. A minority shouldn't just get jobs because they're minorities though. That's not at all what the Rooney Rule is and it's not at all what happens as a result of it. 1 5 Quote
Simon Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: But please, tell us more about what a travesty it is. Or please, don't. 2 1 2 3 Quote
Perry Turtle Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I should have noted that I say this as someone who doesn't believe in "diversity hires". The best candidate should get the job - that can include reasons related to the nature of their "diverse" status. maybe they have unique perspective or have faced adversity others haven't. A minority shouldn't just get jobs because they're minorities though. That's not at all what the Rooney Rule is and it's not at all what happens as a result of it. The Rooney rule isn't about 'giving' a minority person a job. The rule doesn't mandate the hiring of anyone. It mandates only that teams interview a minority candidate, and ends there. It's a small accommodation that could greatly benefit teams and candidates who take advantage of the opportunity. 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Perry Turtle said: The Rooney rule isn't about 'giving' a minority person a job. The rule doesn't mandate the hiring of anyone. It mandates only that teams interview a minority candidate, and ends there. It's a small accommodation that could greatly benefit teams and candidates who take advantage of the opportunity. That's what i said, but anyway, I agree 100% Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Then who else are the Giants interviewing besides Dorsey? Given this expansion of the rule, sure seems like all those reports from Saturday night saying Giants offered a deal to Dorsey and it was as good as done were a little... premature? Not surprising for the Twitterverse, and most of those tweets were from Giants-based folk. Agent speak. Remember Daboll was going to Miami also. Quote
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 The Rooney Rule I assume was started with good intentions. But I hate to see now that whenever a minority coach is interviewed the assumption is he was interviewed to check the rooney box. See above. Look at our DC. He gets interviewed ever year but hasn't landed a job in 15 years. We even interviewed him when we hired Coach Gailey for that purpose. We travelled to him and talked about 15 minutes so we could say we did. It was obvious. I'm sure some good has come out of it but it seems to me minority coaches are being used in the process. 4 Quote
Simon Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, reddogblitz said: I'm sure some good has come out of it but it seems to me minority coaches are being used in the process. If I was in those guys' shoes, I'm not sure I would consider the opportunity to meet and talk to people that I would have never otherwise had as being "used". 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Agent speak. Remember Daboll was going to Miami also. It was beyond Agents. But not much better. Mostly "blog reporters" from the Giants' world. 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: But I hate to see now that whenever a minority coach is interviewed the assumption is he was interviewed to check the rooney box. See above. That's an issue with the person making the assumption, not the rule. 1 Quote
Franco_92 Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 43 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I requires an interview. In other words it requires you to spend a couple hours of your time considering an option that's underrepresented. But please, tell us more about what a travesty it is. I don't care about the rule, but the mocking tone insinuating an overreaction is kinda funny considering that the OP a few posts above you describes it as "embarrassing" that a demographic comprising 12% of the population acquired "only" 20% of the available openings in 2019 lol 3 Quote
ghostwriter Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, wppete said: Just an awful rule. Can’t believe it’s still being used. IMHO. I’m white, but 70% of all NFL players are black. So if I’m an owner, or a GM, or a coach and I wanted to hire somebody with not only coaching experience, but playing experience also, it would make sense to at least interview some people who are black. As far as women coaching? Get out of here. I don’t mean to be chauvinistic about it, but we all know the truth for what it is. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I’m white, but 70% of all NFL players are black. So if I’m an owner, or a GM, or a coach and I wanted to hire somebody with not only coaching experience, but playing experience also, it would make sense to at least interview some people who are black. As far as women coaching? Get out of here. I don’t mean to be chauvinistic about it, but we all know the truth for what it is. Yeah, I have a hard time making that cross over as well. Especially in Football. It's a bit different in Basketball and Hockey where women actually play from a young age, through college, and even professionally. It may not be the same level of competition, but they at least have "been there". Hiring a woman football coach is like hiring Todd Haley. The second the going gets tough, players start telling him to go back to golf. 1 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, arcane said: I don't care about the rule, but the mocking tone insinuating an overreaction is kinda funny considering that the OP a few posts above you describes it as "embarrassing" that a demographic comprising 12% of the population acquired "only" 20% of the available openings in 2019 lol So white people make up 88% of the population? Interesting. Black people make up 12% of the population, but the rooney rule applies to persons of color, who make up 37% of the population. So yes, I would agree with the OP because of math. The math is even more galling when you consider the nuance of the racial disparity in a league where 75% of players are minorities and 75% of head coaches are white. Quote
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Why is it OK to have a racial disparity in players but not coaches? 2 Quote
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