So has the defensive line "rotation" thing been exposed as nonsense?

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

They also didn’t have to deal with the cap, pay a QB to the degree we do in the NFL now, and then of course Dallas got into serious cap jail issues we don’t see anymore. 

Needing a deep DL is more luxury than necessity.  Particularly as Josh’s contract kicks in for 2023. 

 

Of course not, at least in the early 90’s However that wasn’t the question or purpose of the thread. Coaches coach and GMs do what they do , but the roots of the defensive philosophy Are still the same. Dallas wanted to play their DL in waves / platoons to keep them fresh. Some coaches have been taught this philosophy over the years. 

[BillsVet]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Of course not, at least in the early 90’s However that wasn’t the question or purpose of the thread. Coaches coach and GMs do what they do , but the roots of the defensive philosophy Are still the same. Dallas wanted to play their DL in waves / platoons to keep them fresh. Some coaches have been taught this philosophy over the years. 

 

I get that.  But drawing comparisons to the pre-cap days to illustrate that something is relevant now is almost irrelevant.  Front offices and HC's have to consider cap implications in personnel spending...as in paying a QB in Buffalo's case about 20% of their cap dollars beginning in 2023.  Sure, there's an on-field component, but it's not a scheme or plan that can be viewed only in that frame.  

 

Because, if Buffalo is spending ~20% on their QB and another 23% (as they did in 2021) on their DL, it definitely creates a challenge to support the QB who just got a quarter billion dollar extension.

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

You know to hear some people thought you would think that our defense sucked rather than being number one in the league I know people hate to hear that because we got demolished by Kansas City but the numbers do speak for themselves they didn’t suck

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

I get that.  But drawing comparisons to the pre-cap days to illustrate that something is relevant now is almost irrelevant.  Front offices and HC's have to consider cap implications in personnel spending...as in paying a QB in Buffalo's case about 20% of their cap dollars beginning in 2023.  Sure, there's an on-field component, but it's not a scheme or plan that can be viewed only in that frame.  

 

Because, if Buffalo is spending ~20% on their QB and another 23% (as they did in 2021) on their DL, it definitely creates a challenge to support the QB who just got a quarter billion dollar extension.

 

 

 

Never said it was relevant or valid. I’m not implying it is. Just that there are coaches in the league now who have been taught it early on in their careers and still believe it is. 

[Robert Paulson]

11 hours ago, costrovs said:

 

This. 100%.

Someone once said in regards to QB's and RB's, If you have 2, then you don't have 1. (This applies to us at RB also)

Well, we have 8 D-Linemen. 

 

Edmunds played 100% of the snaps for 11 games this year including the playoffs. His least being week 2 @ Miami at 61%

Rousseau had 11 games this year with less than 50% of the snaps, with his highest being week 2 @ Miami at 66%

You want him to be a sack machine and learn the game better? well give him 75%+ snaps and stop rotating everyone around 50%.

 

Rotating the DL keeps them fresh for sure, but it'll also limit there growth.

The more playing time they give Rousseau, Boogy, Oliver, AJ, and whoever else they decide to draft this year, the better they'll be.

 

the other thing is if you only play 30 snaps a game during the season it is tough to play 60 snaps a game in the playoffs. your conditioning is off and you are always looking for that same break. 

 

you need to stretch them out like a starting pitcher.

 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You know to hear some people thought you would think that our defense sucked rather than being number one in the league I know people hate to hear that because we got demolished by Kansas City but the numbers do speak for themselves they didn’t suck

Agreed. The Bills didn’t get demolished by Kansas City either. They beat them once and blew a game that they should have closed out in the rematch. fwiw the Bengals has the 26th ranked pass defense. Was it because they only played elite QBs in 2021 ? Rankings are just that ; they don’t win games for you. You have to be better than your opponent that day. No more or less. 

[Big Blitz]

It depends.  The season is long.  August to now the second weekend in January - if you don't even make the playoffs.  

 

Why would you play your starting D linemen say 70 plus percent of the snaps in the following games:

 

Weeks 1-6

 

In games you should win

 

When you're up more then 1 score - basically game flow

 

 

 

I have no problem with a rotation of some sort.  Keeping guys healthy long term your odds decrease the more snaps they play.  And big people take a beating.  I think that's a big part of the thinking.  

 

I also have no problem in preparing for say a week 6 game vs Cincinnati or KC they play a bit more.  Just depends.  

Edited February 1, 2022 by Big Blitz