Allen is better

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

Allen is the best QB, no doubt in my mind. 

Do you think the fact that he plays for Buffalo has anything whatsoever to do with your opinion?

Is there any chance of bias on your part?

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

I still don't understand the argument that Allen is better than other QB's that have been to/won SB's unless it's direct indictment of this GM and coaching staff.

 

If that's your argument fine but I still think he needs to climb to the top of the mountain at least once before making this claim.

[cle23]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Not when the GM was a dead man walking. 

 

 Any team that does not have a franchise quarterback and passes on one is stupid. It doesn't matter the situation. Again, it worked out for Buffalo in the long run but that doesn't mean the decision wasn't stupid.

[Logic]

Here's the reason I think Allen has finally caught up to, and surpassed, Mahomes:

He is asked to do much more, and he does more with less.

To the first point: How many times in a Chiefs game do you see Mahomes hit a wide open receiver who rips off 30+ yards after the catch? Constantly. That's scheme. For whatever reason, Andy Reid has been masterful at scheming YAC into his offense, and for whatever reason, Daboll has not. It's not as if we don't have receivers that should be able to accrue YAC: McKenzie, Diggs, and Knox should all be great YAC guys. It sure feels like a 30 yard pass play for Josh Allen usually means he threw it 30 yards and the receiver caught it and got tackled. In KC, a 30 yard pass play often looks like a six yard completion followed by 24 yards after the catch.

To the second point: as good as Diggs, Davis, Beasley, and Knox are, and as good as Daboll is/was...they're not on the level of Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, and Andy Reid, respectively. Given the overall team speed that KC has, the all-world, HOF caliber tight end they have, and the all time great offensive mind they have calling plays, I would argue that Mahomes enjoys significant schematic and personnel advantages over Allen.

Yes, Allen has to start winning awards and probably a ring for everyone to consider him Mahomes' equal. In terms of pure talent, though? I believe Allen has caught, and surpassed, Patrick Mahomes. There's a reason Mahomes sought out Josh Allen after the game and sprinted right to him to dap him up. I think that even Mahomes know that Allen is the only dude in the NFL truly on his level.

Edited January 31, 2022 by Logic

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

 Any team that does not have a franchise quarterback and passes on one is stupid. It doesn't matter the situation. Again, it worked out for Buffalo in the long run but that doesn't mean the decision wasn't stupid.

“Franchise QBs” aren’t franchise QBs prior to playing a game. Especially those that aren’t being considered for the #1 pick.  

[DapperCam]

14 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I still don't understand the argument that Allen is better than other QB's that have been to/won SB's unless it's direct indictment of this GM and coaching staff.

 

If that's your argument fine but I still think he needs to climb to the top of the mountain at least once before making this claim.

 

I think people are absolutely saying it is an indictment on the GM and coaching staff. The defense was weaker than tissue paper the past 2 playoff matchups vs KC. Allen didn't have anything to do with their poor performance.

[dakrider]

I think Burrow still has a lot to learn.  Against the Titans, he held onto the ball way to long a couple of those sacks.  He's not a great runner but was able to make a couple big plays when he needed to. Keep in mind he's only 6 months younger than Allen is.  

But if anything these games show a great QB still needs great receivers, a good running back and at least a good defense in order to succeed. 

[prissythecat]

Football is a team sport so saying that one QB is better than others is meaningless in isolation .  Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers are/were arguably better QBs than Tom Brady if you just look at pure passing stats .  But Tom Brady has twice as many Super Bowl wins as the two of them combined . Why is that ?  Because the Pats and Bucs had much better teams around Brady. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by prissythecat

[BillsFan692]

17 hours ago, Process said:

Josh is better than Burrow and Herbert, and it's not even close, we know that. But the media is gonna run with this.

Its Matt Stafford and the rams. Herbert plays for chargers they didnt make the playoffs.

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

 

I think people are absolutely saying it is an indictment on the GM and coaching staff. The defense was weaker than tissue paper the past 2 playoff matchups vs KC. Allen didn't have anything to do with their poor performance.

 

Regarding last year in the playoffs, Allen was certainly part of the problem in the loss to KC.

 

But this year I agree 100% in that you can't put any of the blame on his shoulders. This defensive scheme is very bad and McDermott and Beane are essentially putting their long term future in Buffalo on the line if they stay with the status quo and don't make big time changes on that side of the ball once and for all this offseason starting with purging this roster of Carolina castoffs in addition to making coaching changes.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Cant handle the truth?

 

Show me some.

[HamSandwhich]

28 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Do you think the fact that he plays for Buffalo has anything whatsoever to do with your opinion?

Is there any chance of bias on your part?

 

 

No, not at all, I'm a realist. 

 

Also, reasonable minds can disagree but thinking he's the best QB in the league is not a stretch by any imagination.  You seem to think there is no way at all he could be. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by HamSandwhich

[Success]

28 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I still don't understand the argument that Allen is better than other QB's that have been to/won SB's unless it's direct indictment of this GM and coaching staff.

 

If that's your argument fine but I still think he needs to climb to the top of the mountain at least once before making this claim.

 

Football is a team game.

 

[CorkScrewHill]

Not bad for a physical freak without the accuracy to play NFL football.

[Freddie's Dead]

You lost me at "defacated".

[PatsFanNH]

16 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

Not bad for a physical freak without the accuracy to play NFL football.

Any sort of list that has Montana ranked 11th is a useless stat. 

[dave mcbride]

6 hours ago, Rico said:

I checked out Peter King’s column this morning, always enjoy reading it though I don’t always agree. I was surprised that neither Reid or the Rat got slammed, both deserved to be in the ‘Goat of the Week’.

Totally. Maybe he relies on them for interviews too frequently? Mahomes performance in from the last five seconds of the first half onward to the end was one of the most baffling performances I've ever seen by a genuinely elite player. It was like he had the yips -- just a total meltdown in all areas of his game: decision making (including internal clock management), physical movement, and accuracy. 

 

Where I fault Reed is in the first down play from the 5 yard line with less than two minutes to go. Cincy had a TO left, and they were expecting a run because they assumed KC wanted to bleed clock. That is exactly when you should be throwing the ball. Playing the clock game instead of scoring to go up by 4 at the earliest possible opportunity was terrible game management. If I'm coaching KC, I don't care if they get it with 1:50 left if I can go up by 4. (Notably, both Hardiman and Mahomes ran out of bounds on plays just before that stopped the clock too). Sure, it'd be nicer if they had less time, but by wasting a play you're now in two obvious passing-play situations, and if you fail, you can only tie it. Reid totally outsmarted himself there. Score a TD ASAP and don't waste plays in order to play clock games.  

Edited January 31, 2022 by dave mcbride

[billybrew1]

Allen is the best!!!

[RobbRiddick]

I was very pleased today. Not only do we not have to hear Chiefs fans talking tough for the next 2 weeks but THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE played like a total bum in that second half and gifted the game to Cincy

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Any sort of list that has Montana ranked 11th is a useless stat. 

Football was different back then it’s not a great way to compare qbs of old.