Allen is better

[cisco2403]

19 minutes ago, Evian said:

 

He has a Superbowl Ring. He has knocked the Bills out of the playoffs two years in a row 

 

You want emojis.  Here is one from him polishing his ring while watching you cry every year he knocks a Bills team with superior talent out of the playoffs. 😛

 

 

Burrow in year two might have as many Superbowl rings as Allen and Mahomes in their 9 years combined. Not sure there is much difference than the three because Burrow is a better decision maker than the other two. 

 

I am not sure how you can say Burrow is a better decision maker than both Allen and Mahomes. Burrow didn't play particularly well yesterday either. He should have had not just 1 but 2 ints yesterday, which were both terrible throws or decisions. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by cisco2403

[CincyBillsFan]

Interesting stat:  Allen is now the number one ranked playoff QB in NFL history edging out number 2 Mahomes.

 

 

 

 

[cle23]

15 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Funny how those telling us to "shut up" forget this fact.  For YEARS after the KC trade we had to read comments and threads that talked ONLY about not picking Mahomes.  Heck, in 2019 THREE FREAKING years after the fact and with Allen showing signs of being a great QB and the Bills making the playoffs we were still subjected to this abuse.

 

But now when folks naturally want to rank order the four best young QB's in the AFC (Allen, Mahomes, Burrow & Herbert) they want people to shut the hell up.  IMO the arguing over who is the best of these elite young QB's makes a lot more sense then the constant whining about how the Bills didn't draft Mahomes.

 

 

 

To be fair, not drafting Mahomes was completely stupid.  Just because it worked out a year later doesn't mean that passing him was a good call.  Just dumb luck that worked out.  

 

As far as who is better, they're all so close at this point it doesn't really matter.

[PromoTheRobot]

24 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

to the victor goes the bad takes 

Fixed it.

[Matt_In_NH]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Fixed it.

Cant handle the truth?

[Rico]

46 minutes ago, Evian said:

 

He has a Superbowl Ring. He has knocked the Bills out of the playoffs two years in a row 

 

You want emojis.  Here is one from him polishing his ring while watching you cry every year he knocks a Bills team with superior talent out of the playoffs. 😛

 

 

 

 

I prefer to laugh at that fat *****’s many, many, many failures on the biggest stage of all, from Philly all the way to yesterday afternoon.  

 

One lucky season doesn’t make up for all that choking.

[HamSandwhich]

13 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Mahomes had a lousy 2nd half by his standards.

 

Probably still the best QB in the game right now.

 

When Josh has a QB ring too, the debate will be more interesting.

 

 

Allen is the best QB, no doubt in my mind. 

[Blainorama5]

Josh channeling his inner Clubber Lang in a reaction to KC losing yesterday....

 

Love it!

[BananaB]

11 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

To be fair, not drafting Mahomes was completely stupid.  Just because it worked out a year later doesn't mean that passing him was a good call.  Just dumb luck that worked out.  

 

As far as who is better, they're all so close at this point it doesn't really matter.

Wasn’t stupid at all. If everyone knew what Mahomes would become he would of gone #1, he didn’t for a reason. He’s a great player but he also was blessed having a team like KC making the jump to get him. They were a team ready to play for Championships but needed figure out the QB position to do so. 
 

 

Same can be said for Allen, if teams knew what he’d become he’d would of went first as well.  Bills made the leap for Allen but were the total opposite, they were figuring out how to win and do it consistently. The whole offense was gutted the year he arrived. 
 

I think it’s too hard to judge at this point. Last year I would of said Mahomes but now I’m not sold on that. Only time will tell. Let’s hope it’s Josh

[cle23]

9 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Wasn’t stupid at all. If everyone knew what Mahomes would become he would of gone #1, he didn’t for a reason. He’s a great player but he also was blessed having a team like KC making the jump to get him. They were a team ready to play for Championships but needed figure out the QB position to do so. 
 

 

Same can be said for Allen, if teams knew what he’d become he’d would of went first as well.  Bills made the leap for Allen but were the total opposite, they were figuring out how to win and do it consistently. The whole offense was gutted the year he arrived. 
 

I think it’s too hard to judge at this point. Last year I would of said Mahomes but now I’m not sold on that. Only time will tell. Let’s hope it’s Josh

 

It was stupid.  Passing on a franchise QB when you don't have one is stupid.  And yes, most people didn't realize what Mahomes would become, and anyone team that passed on him without a franchise QB before the Bills did are also stupid.  

 

And the Chiefs had Alex Smith at QB when they drafted Mahomes.  I would never categorize Smith as elite, but he was a good QB at that point in his career.  He had 26TDs and 5 INTs Mahomes' rookie year in 15 games.  

[Rico]

41 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

To be fair, not drafting Mahomes was completely stupid.  Just because it worked out a year later doesn't mean that passing him was a good call.  Just dumb luck that worked out.  

 

As far as who is better, they're all so close at this point it doesn't really matter.

No, they determined that 2018, not 2017, was the year to get their QB. They correctly  took the best one (unlike say the Browns who blew #1 and then #4). Now it’s 2022 and their pick looks like the best player in the league. GREAT job by McBeane.

[Doc]

50 minutes ago, cle23 said:

To be fair, not drafting Mahomes was completely stupid.  Just because it worked out a year later doesn't mean that passing him was a good call.  Just dumb luck that worked out.  

 

As far as who is better, they're all so close at this point it doesn't really matter.

 

If Josh didn't turn out to be a stud like he is, you could say it was stupid.  In hindsight, it worked out perfectly.

[What a Tuel]

2 hours ago, Evian said:

AFC Quarterbacks 

 

Mahomes is 9.9 

Allen is a 9.9

Burrow is a 9.7

 

 

AFC Coaches 

 

Reid is a 9.9

Zac Taylor is a 9.8

McDermott is a 7.0 (0-6 in close games)

 

 

Allen is not good enough to overcome the gap between the elite coaches and McDermott. Until McDermott is gone it will be almost impossible for Allen to win a Superbowl. 

 

I love how 0-6 in close games is taken out of the context and it is only a 6 game sample size because the team blow the other teams out of the water the other 12 out of 13 games.

 

Such a bad take.

 

Also for the others, yes Mahomes has a super bowl ring, but does anyone remember the chiefs almost choked that game away as well? What was it? 20-10 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter against the 49ers?

 

First 6 KC Drives:

Punt

TD

Field Goal

Punt

Interception

Interception

 

At the start of their 3 td comeback with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter Mahomes was like 17/29 for 140ish yards 1 td 2 int.

 

Not saying Mahomes isnt good, but if this was Allen's performance you all would be crucifying him. 

 

Edited January 31, 2022 by What a Tuel

[zow2]

He'd never say anything publicly...but I wonder if Allen harbors any ill feelings towards the Special teams/Defense coaches...and even McDermott.  It was such a big flop at the end.  The "process" failed. 

 

Plus even in Overtime, the D never put up any resistance.  I mean as much as we cry about the last 13 seconds,  the D still had overtime to make things right..  and they stunk.   If I'm Allen, i'd be pissed.

[Dan Darragh]

15 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Even the highest of happy footed sugar rushes for Josh Allen wouldn't have him throw three straight INT balls in overtime.  After the first or second he stops trying to force it and just runs it or something.

Don't forget to mention the back to back sacks (and a fumble on the second one) at the end of regulation which added 21 yards to the FG Buttker had to hit.   

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

16 minutes ago, zow2 said:

He'd never say anything publicly...but I wonder if Allen harbors any ill feelings towards the Special teams/Defense coaches...and even McDermott.  It was such a big flop at the end.  The "process" failed. 

 

Plus even in Overtime, the D never put up any resistance.  I mean as much as we cry about the last 13 seconds,  the D still had overtime to make things right..  and they stunk.   If I'm Allen, i'd be pissed.

NFL FILMS recording Allen already booking the AFC TITLE GAME at 00:13 seconds doesn’t age well either.

 

So I would understand his anger.

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

No, they determined that 2018, not 2017, was the year to get their QB. They correctly  took the best one (unlike say the Browns who blew #1 and then #4). Now it’s 2022 and their pick looks like the best player in the league. GREAT job by McBeane.

Yep, that fella is just salty because his team drafted a mediocre qb who lives in the stadium.

[gobills404]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm

 

Josh Allen now has the highest career passer rating in playoff history

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

To be fair, not drafting Mahomes was completely stupid.  Just because it worked out a year later doesn't mean that passing him was a good call.  Just dumb luck that worked out.  

 

As far as who is better, they're all so close at this point it doesn't really matter.

Not when the GM was a dead man walking. 

[Watkins101]

Josh Allen now has the highest career playoff passer rating in history, as Mahomes dropped slightly below him after the Bengals game.