Allen is better

[transplantbillsfan]

Allen and Mahomes are 1a and 1b right now. I think when Allen gets a Super Bowl next year he separates himself 

[The Frankish Reich]

17 hours ago, Rico said:

Mahomes, his brother, his fiance, and his mother are extremely bad fits for Buffalo. Thank God THEY did not come here. 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

17 hours ago, Rico said:

Mahomes, his brother, his fiance, and his mother are extremely bad fits for Buffalo. Thank God THEY did not come here. 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

17 hours ago, Rico said:

Mahomes, his brother, his fiance, and his mother are extremely bad fits for Buffalo. Thank God THEY did not come here. 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by The Frankish Reich

[dakrider]

19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen his rookie year.. played with one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL 

 

One of the worst receiving cores in the history of the NFL.. Zay Jones was his number one.. kelvin Benjamin looked like a tackle... Undrafted Robert Foster became his playmaker 

 

It was god-awful

 

And then if you actually watch the games through that lens it was clear Allen was the best player on the field for the bills 

 

And that you absolutely needed to surround him with talent .. he oozed talent his rookie year but he was unrefined and had little talent around him

 

 

A lot of QB's wouldn't have survived a first year that.  Allen was clearly not NFL ready to start that soon but Peterman forced the issue.  Allen would have done much better to sit those first 6 games at least. 

[The Wiz]

30 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

No, we wouldn't. 

 

No, we wouldn't. 

 

No, we wouldn't. 

[PatsFanNH]

20 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen his rookie year.. played with one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL 

 

One of the worst receiving cores in the history of the NFL.. Zay Jones was his number one.. kelvin Benjamin looked like a tackle... Undrafted Robert Foster became his playmaker 

 

It was god-awful

 

And then if you actually watch the games through that lens it was clear Allen was the best player on the field for the bills 

 

And that you absolutely needed to surround him with talent .. he oozed talent his rookie year but he was unrefined and had little talent around him

 

 

Don’t forget I mostly saw 3-4 games tops and mostly highlights or lowlights depending on the week… Maybe say this again, I am not saying Allen is bad or even average NOW he isn’t he is top 5 now. I was talking about when he was drafted, I also don’t think he would have drafted Trey Lance if he was there at 15 instead of Jones.  That doesn’t mean I’m right it’s my opinion based on the style QBs he has had success with and drafted. 

20 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Um ... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/685062-ryan-mallett-five-reasons-hes-new-englands-future-at-quarterback 

Mallet was a project but he wasn’t a first rounder, and he was low risk.. high reward.

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Don’t forget I mostly saw 3-4 games tops and mostly highlights or lowlights depending on the week… Maybe say this again, I am not saying Allen is bad or even average NOW he isn’t he is top 5 now. I was talking about when he was drafted, I also don’t think he would have drafted Trey Lance if he was there at 15 instead of Jones.  That doesn’t mean I’m right it’s my opinion based on the style QBs he has had success with and drafted. 

Mallet was a project but he wasn’t a first rounder, and he was low risk.. high reward.

The Pats spent a third rounder on him, which was very high given the context -- i.e., the fact that they had the GOAT playing QB in his prime and were never going to spend a first on a QB at that moment. But that wasn't your point. Your point was that BB would never have taken a player with a track and skill set like Allen. It was never about where the player was drafted. Mallet isn't exactly Allen, but he's very comparable in terms of massive size and a cannon arm. 

[PatsFanNH]

11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The Pats spent a third rounder on him, which was very high given the context -- i.e., the fact that they had the GOAT playing QB in his prime and were never going to spend a first on a QB at that moment. But that wasn't your point. Your point was that BB would never have taken a player with a track and skill set like Allen. It was never about where the player was drafted. Mallet isn't exactly Allen, but he's very comparable in terms of massive size and a cannon arm. 

Mallot was nothing like Allen. He under performed in college and was a disaster his senior year.  He was no real athlete with his legs either.. only comparison may be he was suppose to have a cannon for an arm.  
I just don’t see the comparison?  

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Mallot was nothing like Allen. He under performed in college and was a disaster his senior year.  He was no real athlete with his legs either.. only comparison may be he was suppose to have a cannon for an arm.  
I just don’t see the comparison?  

What are you talking about??? He was *awesome* his final season at Arkansas, which went 10-3 (ranked 12th at the end of the season) and lost the Sugar Bowl to Ohio State because of a very controversial penalty call on a blocked punt in the final minute. That year, Mallet had a 65 percent completion rate, 9.4 ypa, 32 TDs, and a 163.6 rating. He led the SEC in passing yardage, TD passes, and ypa.  He was good the year before too (30 TDs/7 INTs; 9.0 ypa). Anyway, the comps are there: massive size, cannon arm, accuracy issues. I didn't say he was exactly alike, but no two players are ever exactly alike. But there were certainly some notable similarities in terms of the scouting reports. 

Edited February 1, 2022 by dave mcbride

[PatsFanNH]

42 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

What are you talking about??? He was *awesome* his final season at Arkansas, which went 10-3 (ranked 12th at the end of the season) and lost the Sugar Bowl to Ohio State because of a very controversial penalty call on a blocked punt in the final minute. That year, Mallet had a 65 percent completion rate, 9.4 ypa, 32 TDs, and a 163.6 rating. He led the SEC in passing yardage, TD passes, and ypa.  He was good the year before too (30 TDs/7 INTs; 9.0 ypa). Anyway, the comps are there: massive size, cannon arm, accuracy issues. I didn't say he was exactly alike, but no two players are ever exactly alike. But there were certainly some notable similarities in terms of the scouting reports. 

Read his scouting report… the BIG HUGE DIFFERENCE… “character issues” as well as “needs a clean pocket to operate”…

 

yes he had accuracy issues but unlike Allen is a pure pocket passer.. and that’s the point.. every QB drafted as a QB by NE is just that a pocket passer. 

[HOUSE]

 

Patrick Mahomes has already reached impressive levels of success in his four seasons as the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. He has an MVP to his name, a Super Bowl title, a Super Bowl MVP, two All-Pro nods, and four Pro Bowls.

He is truly an elite talent and one of the best quarterbacks in football. That is why chaos took over social media Thursday thanks to the comments of former player and current analyst Sam Acho.

 

Check the rankings inside

 

 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes-top-5-nfl-qb-matter-analyst-says?utm_source=FBAUTOFEED&utm_medium=SKProFootball

[HardyBoy]

Nope, didn't see him on the list

[NewEra]

Not on the list, you must acquit.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

The anti- Nick Wright?

 

I like it.

 

Notice how the person who wrote this article mentions Mahomes 4 pro-bowl selections. And some people wonder why some of us get upset when stupid crap like Lamar Jackson getting voted to the pro-bowl over both Allen and Burrow ruffles our feathers. It's because there are dumb people in the media who take those awards seriously. You hear it all the time when talking heads bring up a players career achievements and if they are HOF worthy or not. Luckily, I do know for Allen at least, his HOF eligibility question won't hinge on whether he was a 5 time pro-bowler or 6 time. It will come down to is he a unanimous first time eligible selection or not? 

[Rico]

Top 5 QB’s don’t meltdown in their biggest game 2 years in a row. 2019 was a long time ago.

[HOUSE]

I am having problems with #3 ...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

Patrick Mahomes has already reached impressive levels of success in his four seasons as the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. He has an MVP to his name, a Super Bowl title, a Super Bowl MVP, two All-Pro nods, and four Pro Bowls.

He is truly an elite talent and one of the best quarterbacks in football. That is why chaos took over social media Thursday thanks to the comments of former player and current analyst Sam Acho.

 

Check the rankings inside

 

 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes-top-5-nfl-qb-matter-analyst-says?utm_source=FBAUTOFEED&utm_medium=SKProFootball

 

Sounds like Acho wanted attention and that's just what he got

[wppete]

No question about it Josh Allen is the best QB in the NFL. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Holy click bait! 
 

Matt Stafford as the third best QB in the NFL?  He is arguably only the third best QB in his own division! 

[Inigo Montoya]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

No question about it Josh Allen is the best QB in the NFL. 

 

Sometimes it's fun to go back in time to revisit draft day 2018.  We all hoped Allen would be good but I don't think even the most optimistic saw how good he would become.  Whether he is the best QB in the NFL or not, he is certainly in the conversation.  That is no small thing. 

 

Just for fun, here is the draft day thread;

 

 

[ganesh]

Josh, Mahomes, Rodgers, Herbert and the GOAT is the best QBs in the NFL right now.   

 

The guy has taken his team to four consecutive AFC Championship games in his first 4 seasons of playing full time in the NFL

 

Prescott, Burrows, Lamar, Wilson, Watson,  Stafford fall in the next category. 

 

Then you have the also rans like Tannehill, Garapalo, Murray,  Mayfield, Tua,  Cousins.

 

Jones could be in the 2nd category based on his 1 year performance.