Offseason Trade Prediction: We acquire Saquan

[filthymcnasty08]

I would compare Barkley's first years against Fournette's

 

Fournette coming out of Jax - underachieved in people's eyes, injuries, questions about effort, etc.  At the same time, flashed enough for many to think he still had it but needed a change of scenery out of a losing situation where the system was always in flux.  Very similar to Saquan.

 

New environment, winning culture, 2nd chance....

 

I think the team that gets Saquan will get some very good years from him.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Barkley would be on a 1 year, 7.2 million dollar contract if Buffalo traded for him. He’s only 25 and NYG is sitting at -10 in cap space.

 

McCaffrey and the Panthers have an opt out clause in his contract for this year, but his 2022 cap is nearly double SB and he still has some hefty dead cap. CM is really only an option if Panthers opt out of his contract, but they have 18 million currently and could easily keep him. 

 

[T master]

I think you keep Cole he is still a good player and i'm not sure of his cap hit but i believe especially with a new OC coming in you want guys that Josh has a good chemistry with during the transition into a new scheme .

 

I would rather see them package Moss & Cody Ford neither of them have proven IMO that they are anything but a depth player and with both of them knowing Dabol that may help NY sooner rather than later.

 

I don't see Beane keeping Ford around after his rookie deal runs out so get something for him while you can & i have never really been a fan of the Moss pick and moving forward we still have 2 players that yo know will contribute in this offense with who ever they bring in as the new OC ... 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

5 minutes ago, T master said:

I think you keep Cole he is still a good player and i'm not sure of his cap hit but i believe especially with a new OC coming in you want guys that Josh has a good chemistry with during the transition into a new scheme .

 

I would rather see them package Moss & Cody Ford neither of them have proven IMO that they are anything but a depth player and with both of them knowing Dabol that may help NY sooner rather than later.

 

I don't see Beane keeping Ford around after his rookie deal runs out so get something for him while you can & i have never really been a fan of the Moss pick and moving forward we still have 2 players that yo know will contribute in this offense with who ever they bring in as the new OC ... 

I too think they try to retain Cole, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s a restructure or release situation and he chooses the second option. 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

6 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

I would compare Barkley's first years against Fournette's

 

Fournette coming out of Jax - underachieved in people's eyes, injuries, questions about effort, etc.  At the same time, flashed enough for many to think he still had it but needed a change of scenery out of a losing situation where the system was always in flux.  Very similar to Saquan.

 

New environment, winning culture, 2nd chance....

 

I think the team that gets Saquan will get some very good years from him.

 

Good to look at Fournette and Barkley.

 

If a team was looking for a RB of this type, why not just go get Fournette? He is a FA, so no picks lost for compensation.

Fournette had a $3.5M cap hit last year. His $ should be similar this year. Barkley has a $7.2M hit in a trade.

 

Fournette was much more productive in every category in 2021 than Barkley.

 

Why not just go get Fournette? 1/2 the compensation, more productive and no picks lost.

 

I think Fournette would be a solid mid level FA addition for the Bills, and make much more sense than trading for Barkley.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

6 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Good to look at Fournette and Barkley.

 

If a team was looking for a RB of this type, why not just go get Fournette? He is a FA, so no picks lost for compensation.

Fournette had a $3.5M cap hit last year. His $ should be similar this year. Barkley has a $7.2M hit in a trade.

 

Fournette was much more productive in every category in 2021 than Barkley.

 

Why not just go get Fournette? 1/2 the compensation, more productive and no picks lost.

 

I think Fournette would be a solid mid level FA addition for the Bills, and make much more sense than trading for Barkley.

Honestly IMO Fournette will go back to the guy he was in Jacksonville now that Tampa is on the verge of blowing up worse the the Death Star

[newcam2012]

21 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

This. I thought I was an outlier. 1 full season... I'd rather grab a rookie in the 3rd or 4th instead.

Not me. Barkley is a special talent. For me, the only question as mentioned is can he stay healthy? I'd be doing cartwheels in the snow if we could get hon for Moss and a 4th. He's worth the risk. A 4th round pick isn't much and Moss can easily be replaced. I do like Devin though. Not sure I would give him up ib the package. 

Alpha, I think your premise is incorrect that the Giants will unload Barkley. His trade value isn't much and his upside is too high for what they get in return. Restructure is more likely. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

That's  a hard no from me on trading for Saquan. He is a JAG at this point. Moss doesn't appear to be good enough so I think we should look into probably cutting Moss and signing or drafting another back. I don't think Moss has much trade value. But whoever we bring in needs to be super cheap. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

OK, we consider Sasquan for RB.

 

How about a sasquatch for defense?  Maybe a samsquanch?  Edwards for a sasquatch, straight up?

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Good to look at Fournette and Barkley.

 

If a team was looking for a RB of this type, why not just go get Fournette? He is a FA, so no picks lost for compensation.

Fournette had a $3.5M cap hit last year. His $ should be similar this year. Barkley has a $7.2M hit in a trade.

 

Fournette was much more productive in every category in 2021 than Barkley.

 

Why not just go get Fournette? 1/2 the compensation, more productive and no picks lost.

 

I think Fournette would be a solid mid level FA addition for the Bills, and make much more sense than trading for Barkley.

I am not opposed to getting Fournette too, but I think Fournette is going to get more money than people think.  
 

And we can clear a little cap space if we were able to include a player or two in the trade to get Barkley.

 

But I think Fournette would also be a great get here.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

18 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Honestly IMO Fournette will go back to the guy he was in Jacksonville now that Tampa is on the verge of blowing up worse the the Death Star

 

Funny you bring that up. Fournette is a FA, so it's his choice to go back to TB or not. I suppose a lot will depend on who TB gets to play QB. TB also has a lot of valuable FAs this yer, so I can see him choosing where to play, and not be affected by what happens in TB.

 

In his 3 years in Jax, he put up 2 x 1000 rushing seasons. Averaged 4.0 YPC, often against 8 man fronts because Blake Bortles.

2632 yards rushing/ 17 Rush TDs in 36 Games (73 yards per game) 4.0 YPC.

134 Rec/ 1009 yards receiving/ 2 Rec Tds (28 Rec YDS/Game)

 

Hardly a bust, but not the production JAX wanted for his draft status

 

Fournette proved he can be a solid dual back with better QB play and not facing stacked fronts. His Rec numbers with Minshew and Brady are quite good for a big back. He has a career 78.4% catch percentage. Buffalo would be ideal for his running style and because he has a QB that should keep stacked boxes to a minimum.

 

I understand your POV but disagree with it. I only saw two Giants games this year, but Barkley looked slow and washed.

 

No need to send draft capital and spend to the cap with Barkley when a back with more production and the size this team is missing is a cheaper available FA.

[Bookie Man]

21 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Because Josh cant keep this pace up and expect his body to hold up.  The guy leaves 110% of himself and his soul on that field every Sunday.  His body takes a pounding running the ball.  

 

Great he is 25...but at some point that beating is going to catch up with him, it always does.  We need to take some of that weight off him literally.

Good stuff here 😆.

[LyndonvilleBill]

32 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Not me. Barkley is a special talent. For me, the only question as mentioned is can he stay healthy? I'd be doing cartwheels in the snow if we could get hon for Moss and a 4th. He's worth the risk. A 4th round pick isn't much and Moss can easily be replaced. I do like Devin though. Not sure I would give him up ib the package. 

Alpha, I think your premise is incorrect that the Giants will unload Barkley. His trade value isn't much and his upside is too high for what they get in return. Restructure is more likely. 

He can only be special if he's on the field. He hasn't played a full season since his rookie year. What's the saying, best ability is availability? He hasn't been able to do it. Just my opinion. 

[newcam2012]

11 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

He can only be special if he's on the field. He hasn't played a full season since his rookie year. What's the saying, best ability is availability? He hasn't been able to do it. Just my opinion. 

No doubt about that. He comes with a big risk and that's exactly why his trade value is capped. Risk vs reward...

[BarleyNY]

So Schoen steps foot into the Giants building, shines up his new General Manager name plate and then ships off Saquon Barkley for Moss a bag of kicking tees?  Or something equally as worthless?  SMDH.  That’s just not happening.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I said no for three reasons. I'm fine with Singletary.  The Moss and a fourth or any of the scenarios seems like something the Giants would not feel is adequate compensation.  Im not giving up draft picks for an injured RB. And ladt, I'm not spending limited cap on a RB. I would have last year with Harris in round 1. Not now.  They need several replacements on both lines and a CB#2.

[SoTier]

I would prefer to improve the  OL, especially the interior, through FA or the draft first, and then add a bigger RB who's a decent blocker through FA.  A lot of rookie RBs have to learn the blocking part of the game.  I don't like the idea of investing a lot of resources in a RB who hasn't been able to stay of the field consistently.

[gobills1212]

14 hours ago, whorlnut said:

This literally makes no sense, but thanks for playing…

How does that not make sense?! It makes perfect sense! You cant, to a man, discern the difference in giving up assets for a WRx and a RB (implying that they are the same thing) so that is a direct comparison as to how silly you saying that is. Please try and keep up.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

48 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I said no for three reasons. I'm fine with Singletary.  The Moss and a fourth or any of the scenarios seems like something the Giants would not feel is adequate compensation.  Im not giving up draft picks for an injured RB. And ladt, I'm not spending limited cap on a RB. I would have last year with Harris in round 1. Not now.  They need several replacements on both lines and a CB#2.

 

Agree with you on all points above. How would you feel about Fournette who is a FA?

 

Would rather sign Fournette as a FA. 6'0" 240 takes a lot of beating off of Allen. Fournette is only 27. a 2-3 yr contract leaves wiggle room.

Retain Ryan Bates as a OG on a starting OG salary

Let Wallace walk for big money, he earned it

Trade 1st and x pick for a starting calibre NFL CB (The Diggs method)

Draft IOL or 1TDT in the 2nd

BPA after with an eye on WR, DT/IOL, LB, TE ST

[whorlnut]

12 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

How does that not make sense?! It makes perfect sense! You cant, to a man, discern the difference in giving up assets for a WRx and a RB (implying that they are the same thing) so that is a direct comparison as to how silly you saying that is. Please try and keep up.

Hahah…the classic “please try to keep up” line…funny stuff.