Offseason Trade Prediction: We acquire Saquan

[Alphadawg7]

86 for and 84 against now in the poll as of now.  

34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, Henry and Taylor are terrific players.  Both have, in fact, had games where they were held in check.

 

I suppose there is a running back somewhere who has succeeded behind an OL that can't block for him, but I'm struggling to think of him right now.

 

The Titans and Colts OLs say "Hi"

 

Having an RB who can make plays when you need them, generally depends upon having an OL who can spring that guy to the 2nd level when you need them to

Honestly Barry Sanders is the only RB I can think of that excelled to greatness behind a weak OL.  It’s pretty important to the success of a RB.

 

Priest Holmes for example was pedestrian in Baltimore and then was other worldly the moment he landed in KC.

 

That being said, if our OL performs next year the way he has the last 7 games (or even better) then Barkley could be a monster here IMHO.  It reminds me a LOT of the Priest Holmes move out Baltimore in fact.

 

Barkley has seen stacked boxes his whole career, he won’t get that here.  And if he does, Allen will eat them alive.

Edited January 30, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[BADOLBILZ]

41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, Henry and Taylor are terrific players.  Both have, in fact, had games where they were held in check.

 

I suppose there is a running back somewhere who has succeeded behind an OL that can't block for him, but I'm struggling to think of him right now.

 

The Titans and Colts OLs say "Hi"

 

Having an RB who can make plays when you need them, generally depends upon having an OL who can spring that guy to the 2nd level when you need them to

 

 

Derrick Henry has actually been bad.......shut down......... in EACH of his last 3 playoff games.........all losses, or course.

 

They ran the ball just fine with a bunch of relative nobodies with him out..........and Foreman greatly outplayed him in their playoff game.........the Titans could save $9M on the cap if they cut Henry this offseason.    

 

Wouldn't rule it out.

Edited January 30, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Not going to happen.

 

Daboll is going to keep Barkley. 

 

There's a new Sherriff in town

[ArtVandalay]

9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Why I think it makes more sense than ever, and why I would actually like to see this happen.  And I am a fan of Devin, not a knock on him at all, but Barkley just brings more to the table.

If you amputated one of Saquons legs he would still be bigger stronger faster than Dingleberry.

[JoshAllin]

Derrick Henry choked the last 2 playoffs, and a huge one on 4th and 1 their last game that would've sealed a W for them. I'm  on the boat of stop wasting or caring about overpaid RB's

[Nitro]

Bills do not need to trade away picks.  Barkley and his contract are not coming to Buffalo.  

Edited January 30, 2022 by Nitro

[JROC INTEL]

Barkley would be awesome. I think there is a difference between injury prone and unlucky. I would call his injuries very unlucky. But man was he amazing when healthy, I bet they would ask for a second rounder at the least. 

[Hebert19]

If I was trading for anyone it would be Kamara since that might be a tear down.  

 

But fourette on the cheap is a better idea. 

[MJS]

I'd rather trade for Kamara. Their team is in cap purgatory. Their head coach just resigned. They will be rebuilding and dumping some of their high cap players. Kamara is the best receiving back in the NFL. Barkley can't stay healthy, it seems.

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'd rather trade for Kamara. Their team is in cap purgatory. Their head coach just resigned. They will be rebuilding and dumping some of their high cap players. Kamara is the best receiving back in the NFL. Barkley can't stay healthy, it seems.

Way more expensive though

[MJS]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

Way more expensive though

Yeah, I haven't looked at their contracts, so I can't speak to that.

[LABILLBACKER]

All I know is we better start making some better FA splashes than we have recently. Take a page from the Rams and take advantage of Josh in his prime for the next 10 years. I don't care if it's Barkley,  Kamara or Fournette. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

If I was trading for anyone it would be Kamara since that might be a tear down.  

 

But fourette on the cheap is a better idea. 

Can’t afford Kamara, and why do you think Fournette is going to be cheap?  He was a beast this year 

[BullBuchanan]

The Giants aren't going to trade Barkley and they would be insane to do so for the awful compensation suggested. If they do take any of that, maybe we should get Jamarr Chase for a 5th and Pat Mahomes for Cole Beasley and a bag of footballs,

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I I’d bet money he’s gone. 

I'll take that bet. How much? 

[longtimebillsfan]

On 1/29/2022 at 10:06 AM, Alphadawg7 said:

Why I think it makes more sense than ever, and why I would actually like to see this happen.  And I am a fan of Devin, not a knock on him at all, but Barkley just brings more to the table.  

 

Schoen just studied under Beane's masterclass on how to rebuild an organization.  Clear the cap first, asses what you have, and start rebuilding.  Giants have a terrible cap situation, first things first will be to start fixing that.  Barkley doesn't make them better, that OL is atrocious and the QB position isn't settled.  He IMHO is almost a lock to be traded somewhere, I really don't think he will be on the roster week 1 in NY.  Plus, Daboll just came from an offense where he didn't lean on the run game.

 

Bills are in a unique position to be able to offer the Giants something in return that can help them try and remain competitive (they want to instill a new culture from the get go) and pieces they are familiar with.  We could send them back a RB that could come in and immediately compete to start for them in Moss or even Devin that are cheap on the cap too.  And then we redo his contract like when we acquired Diggs.

 

Additionally, if we needed to, we could include Cole in a package as well which would be a great piece for the Giants to get because he comes off the books after this next season and he would be an immediate on field help to whoever is QB this year as a move the chains specialist.  

 

There are going to be a bunch of disagree emoticons and quick replies hating this idea because people think Saquan is done, especially with the injury history.  But I would not write him off so fast.  There have been a long list of guys where a change of scenery to a better situation allowed a player to flourish.  And the talent was there with him, but he has been saddled with an atrocious OL the whole time and even worse QB play.  

 

Plus, we have the most state of the art training facilities and team in the NFL, if there was ever a place for a guy to go and try and put the injuries behind them its here.  And its already proved to be effective as we have had some guys who cant shake the injury bug elsewhere come here and stay healthy at multiple positions.  

 

Additionally, we will still have either Devin or Moss at RB and Allen at QB...meaning we wont need to run Barkley into the ground like they kept trying to do with him in NY and EMC in Carolina.  This will help keep Barkley healthy as well, and a healthy Saquan in this offense could be explosive.  

 

Trade ideas:  Put these and more in the poll too

 

Package A - Moss and a 4th.

Package B - Cole, Moss, and a 6th.

Package C - Devin and a 5th.

Package D - Just draft picks...but I think both teams will be interested in one of our RB's being included.  

 

 

 

I would love to have Barkley in our backfield, but do we realistically have the cap space to take on such a large contract for a running back?

Edited January 30, 2022 by longtimebillsfan

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I I’d bet money he’s gone. 

 

Yep. Beane only said he expects him back after being really pressed and after originally saying "Cole can still play in this league" which tells you all you need to know. 

 

He's gone.

[Pbomb]

17 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Oh really?   What would that contract look like to you?

 

If Barkley were cut today.........he would clear waivers and become a free agent because of that $7M+ guaranteed contract.

 

He has ZERO trade value.

 

The only way he gets traded is if the Giants eat all but the league minimum portion of his contract.

 

Any new deal he gets from another team will START with $7M in guarantees.

 

The Bills are a bit tight for cap space...........they would likely have to spread a deal with him over 3 years or more to get him in for a $2M type cap hit..........which begs the question "why would Barkley accept two cheap years added to his contract?".

 

He would not.

 

His goal is to collect his $7M...........have a big year.........and hit free agency.

 

Trading him doesn't make sense for either the Giants or Barkley at this point..........they might as well roll with him.

Doubt he would clear waivers, some team would take on a 7m cap hit for one year and hope he could stay healthy

[Coach Tuesday]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. Beane only said he expects him back after being really pressed and after originally saying "Cole can still play in this league" which tells you all you need to know. 

 

He's gone.

My takeaway from that PC was they’ll look for 1-2 more good TE options instead of Beas - can at least run or threaten to run out of their formations whereas with Beas in you’re basically announcing to the defense that it’s a pass.

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

The Giants aren't going to trade Barkley and they would be insane to do so for the awful compensation suggested. If they do take any of that, maybe we should get Jamarr Chase for a 5th and Pat Mahomes for Cole Beasley and a bag of footballs,

What a ridiculous response.  Barkley has a low market value with the injury issues and lower production last couple years.  To compare trading for him to Chase or Mahomes just shows how out of touch with reality you are.

Barkley is gone after this year regardless when he would be a FA as they begin a long rebuilding process.  it’s not only in their best interest to trade him, it’s actually more likely he gets traded than this year than not.

Edited January 30, 2022 by Alphadawg7