Offseason Trade Prediction: We acquire Saquan

[ghostwriter]

I would offer them a 4th. 1 year left on his deal, big salary, had a down year, but yes, for the right price I would be interested.

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That all might be true but it is just another set of things you have got get over to be comfortable signing him in addition to the contract. 

 

I repeat for me it would be the hardest of passes.

What scares you about a $7m contract that has one year left on it though?

 

Allens deal doesn’t kick in until next year.  
 

And there is still the possibility Beane does a new deal with him ahead of the trade to give us some assurances and cap relief and him more upfront money to try and pop off on a SB caliber team next couple years and have a shot at another good contract before it’s too late.

 

This makes more sense to all parties than I think some realize.

[Aussie Joe]

This is the sort of deal Doug Whaley would do...

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

What scares you about a $7m contract that has one year left on it though?

 

Allens deal doesn’t kick in until next year.  
 

And there is still the possibility Beane does a new deal with him ahead of the trade to give us some assurances and cap relief and him more upfront money to try and pop off on a SB caliber team next couple years and have a shot at another good contract before it’s too late.

 

This makes more sense to all parties than I think some realize.

 

Paying $7m to a running back on a pass first offense and if you do a new deal he is looking for at least Aaron Jones type money. And I don't think he fits our scheme. And by your own admission I am taking a chance on him being back to his best 2 years removed from an ACL. 

 

Too many reasons why it doesn't work IMO. 

[reddogblitz]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

guy whose worst year was 1330 yds from scrimmage?  *drool*

 

Even with N'Orleans eating his signing bonus, though, he's $11M/yr for the next 2 years.

 

So?  He'd be worth it.  You get what you pay for.  For what we'd get it sounds cheap.

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ha.  It would be a fair cop on me that I always think the cap is a bigger issue, probably a bigger issue than it is, truly.

 

 

Not in the post you're quoting, I'm not - nothing says that the contract can't be renegotiated.  For example, Allen's $23M option for 2022 was renegotiated when he signed his contract extension, and his cap hit for 2022 is now $16M.

 

But it's a fair cop on me that I thought the 5th yr option still wasn't guaranteed until the start of the new league year, and missed that this is the year that changes.

 

The Giants are stuck, unless they negotiate a new contract.  Heh.

 

 

If the Giants were able to release him with no cap consequence it would be no different than him having a fully UNGUARANTEED contract............it is a critical distinction because then the Giants would then have leverage to re-negotiate his contract.

 

Instead they have none.

 

It's not just a "fair cop" of minor import......it makes a huge difference in regard to the possibility of "renegotiating" his contract.

 

With that deal fully guaranteed he can negotiate his next deal under the assumption that he bounces back to his 2018 form.

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Great…so more high picks on defense and wait until the mid to late rounds to help the offense. I really don’t know what to say…🙄

They want to be the Packers?🤷🏾‍♂️

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, purple haze said:

They want to be the Packers?🤷🏾‍♂️

Kinda what I’m afraid of. This is what you get when you hire a defensive minded HC. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Paying $7m to a running back on a pass first offense and if you do a new deal he is looking for at least Aaron Jones type money. And I don't think he fits our scheme. And by your own admission I am taking a chance on him being back to his best 2 years removed from an ACL. 

 

Too many reasons why it doesn't work IMO. 

But he has no leverage to ask for that kind of money.  Zero percent chance anyone gives him that until after he shows on the field he can be that guy again on a new team.

 

So I can’t see any possibility of that happening (Aaron Jones money).  
 

He is going to have take a short term prove it deal before he gets into that conversation or just play this year on his current deal and have a big year to try and get it next year.  
 

Any reworked deal now would be far from Aaron Jones money.  

Edited January 29, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[purple haze]

Just now, whorlnut said:

Kinda what I’m afraid of. This is what you get when you hire a defensive minded HC. 

Beane and McD are on the same page.   That D needed reinforcements.  Now it’s about doubling down on Allen.  I’d bet money we see a WR in round 1 this year.

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Beane and McD are on the same page.   That D needed reinforcements.  Now it’s about doubling down on Allen.  I’d bet money we see a WR in round 1 this year.

I can’t see that happening at all…I’d love it, but I don’t think it will happen…

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

But he has no leverage to ask for that kind of money.  Zero percent chance anyone gives him that until after he shows on the field he can be that guy again on a new team.

 

So I can’t see any possibility of that happening (Aaron Jones money).  
 

He is going to have take a short term prove it deal before he gets into that conversation or just play this year on his current deal and have a big year to try and get it next year.  
 

Any reworked deal now would be far from Aaron Jones money.  

 

 

He has a short term prove it deal already...........for $7,217,000 guaranteed in 2022.

 

You should be concerned that you can't understand this.   Really.

 

Now if the Giants for some stupid reason decide to cut him outright..........which would be inexplicable unless he has some sort of unforeseen character issue.........then he can choose wherever he wants to play for a minimum salary for one year and hope to cash in next offseason.    He isn't signing some cheap 2-3 year deal at that point.  

 

 And calling out the people who want to pay an elite pass rusher instead of a RB?   What world aren't pass rushers worth FAR more than RB's?

 

It's just a very illogical thread.

 

[purple haze]

4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I can’t see that happening at all…I’d love it, but I don’t think it will happen…

If Jameson Williams or Garrett Wilson are there I can definitely see it.  Either fits that speed McD and Beane were talking about in their pressers.  

[dpberr]

I'd have no interest in trading for him. 

 

Spend your money on healthy players.

[Brandon]

Not interested.  If they really want a RB, I'd rather they spend the cap space on a veteran without the injury history or just draft one early. 

 

 

[streetkings01]

I said it in another thread……Barkley or McCaffrey will be a Buffalo Bill in 2022. Got a ton of negative comments and thumbs down.

35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Paying $7m to a running back on a pass first offense and if you do a new deal he is looking for at least Aaron Jones type money. And I don't think he fits our scheme. And by your own admission I am taking a chance on him being back to his best 2 years removed from an ACL. 

 

Too many reasons why it doesn't work IMO. 

Fits our scheme? We don’t even have an OC so we don’t currently have a scheme.

[BADOLBILZ]

30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

But he has no leverage to ask for that kind of money.  Zero percent chance anyone gives him that until after he shows on the field he can be that guy again on a new team.

 

So I can’t see any possibility of that happening (Aaron Jones money).  
 

He is going to have take a short term prove it deal before he gets into that conversation or just play this year on his current deal and have a big year to try and get it next year.  
 

Any reworked deal now would be far from Aaron Jones money.  

 

 

Take a stab at this contract you envision..........might as well put the icing on this cake you've made. 

 

 

 

[streetkings01]

32 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Beane and McD are on the same page.   That D needed reinforcements.  Now it’s about doubling down on Allen.  I’d bet money we see a WR in round 1 this year.

Gabe is our #2

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

If the Giants were able to release him with no cap consequence it would be no different than him having a fully UNGUARANTEED contract............it is a critical distinction because then the Giants would then have leverage to re-negotiate his contract.

 

Instead they have none.

 

It's not just a "fair cop" of minor import......it makes a huge difference in regard to the possibility of "renegotiating" his contract.

 

With that deal fully guaranteed he can negotiate his next deal under the assumption that he bounces back to his 2018 form.

 

"None" is obviously not correct on leverage.  Players are widely known for preferring longer deals and loathing to play on a 1 yr contract, even if it's a lucrative 1 year contract.  I would assume that holds for Barkley who is historically not durable.  It would be in his interest to negotiate a longer deal even if the AAV is lower, provided the up front and guaranteed money is at least as good. 

 

But they certainly have a lot less leverage when he can just sit there until he likes what he sees and collect $7.2M

[Nextmanup]

39 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

This is the sort of deal Doug Whaley would do...

And to think, the majority (?) of this board defended him vehemently when he was our GM.

 

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