Offseason Trade Prediction: We acquire Saquan

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

2 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Great…so more high picks on defense and wait until the mid to late rounds to help the offense. I really don’t know what to say…🙄

 

Where does it say high picks on defense anywhere in my statement?

[Wayne Cubed]

22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure why people think running the ball more is what the Bills offense needs… just get Josh some more weapons outside and better protection while mixing in some runs to keep the defense honest. 

Yea I agree with that but man a RB with speed that can run the wheel route and get YAC on check downs would really help the offense.

 

Saying that, the Bills arent going after Barkley.

[HamptonBillsfan]

Why would anyone want Barkley? He doesn't stay healthy, he makes more than we want to pay a RB, and he's an underachiever. 

[BrooklynBills]

40 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure why people think running the ball more is what the Bills offense needs… just get Josh some more weapons outside and better protection while mixing in some runs to keep the defense honest. 

 

The only time this offense looked good this year against above average competition was when the threat of Allen running was there. You need to mix in runs so the DL can't simply pin their ears back and pass rush every play and those runs need to not be negative plays. Plenty of teams are able to mix run and pass, have offensive success, and with lesser QBs. 

 

Secondly, Barkley had 90 catches out the backfield his rookie year and averages over 4 catches per game. He's a threat in the pass game.

 

If the money and trade price makes sense, I'd be all over this move. He'll likely be cheaper than free agent options like Pollard or Edmunds.

[Norcalbillsfan]

23 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

I'm not going to knock someone's idea to better the team I just don't think the fit is right for us, he's coming off 2 major operations and clearly wasn't up to form and his cap hit would be a negative also (I think 7+M range). He could still be a great player but the risk is more than the reward imo. I'd rather see the Bills invest in a solid pass rusher to replace Jerry Hughes and a solid DT opposite of Ed Oliver, a guy who can eat up blocks while Ed Oliver destroys RB's and QB's. I'm not sure why people want to replace motor, the guy balled out for us and he isn't a problem. If anything get a nice speed back late in the rounds to compliment both he and Moss which would make more sense imo.

I agree I'm always open to ideas on improving the team and Barkley does that day 1. But the giants don't have a reason to trade him, and I don't think many teams want to spend 7 mill on him for 1 year. Granted the only teams that would do that are a team like the Bills making a superbowl push. But it's pretty obvious modern day nfl that paying money for a rb is a massive mistake. I'd bet the panthers and cowboys would go back and not sign big money to rbs. The formula for modern nfl is draft rbs pay them rookie deals, wash rinse repeat. This was the bills plan but they swung and missed on moss. Now we need to replace Singletary before his contract is up.

[ALLEN1QB]

Guy can't prove he is capable of stating healthy. 

[DCOrange]

If New York were willing to eat most of the contract, count me in. Not really interested in giving up an asset for him otherwise. I might consider the Beasley package because I'd like to move on from Beasley anyways, but we can probably make better use of the cap savings from moving Beasley than a RB that hasn't been healthy in years.

[Turbo44]

Why would we possibly want Saquan? With his injury history and cost?? Also,

do we really want Josh to pass less?

 

This is not happening, nor are we trading for the Carolina RB

[Solomon Grundy]

59 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure why people think running the ball more is what the Bills offense needs… just get Josh some more weapons outside and better protection while mixing in some runs to keep the defense honest. 

I don’t think they want to run more, just a more explosive RB when they do mix in the runs

[RiotAct]

I’d absolutely do Zack Moss and a 4th for Barkley

[eball]

Please god no.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

55 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Why I think it makes more sense than ever, and why I would actually like to see this happen.  And I am a fan of Devin, not a knock on him at all, but Barkley just brings more to the table.  

 

Schoen just studied under Beane's masterclass on how to rebuild an organization.  Clear the cap first, asses what you have, and start rebuilding.  Giants have a terrible cap situation, first things first will be to start fixing that.  Barkley doesn't make them better, that OL is atrocious and the QB position isn't settled.  He IMHO is almost a lock to be traded somewhere, I really don't think he will be on the roster week 1 in NY.  Plus, Daboll just came from an offense where he didn't lean on the run game.

 

Bills are in a unique position to be able to offer the Giants something in return that can help them try and remain competitive (they want to instill a new culture from the get go) and pieces they are familiar with.  We could send them back a RB that could come in and immediately compete to start for them in Moss or even Devin that are cheap on the cap too.  And then we redo his contract like when we acquired Diggs.

 

Additionally, if we needed to, we could include Cole in a package as well which would be a great piece for the Giants to get because he comes off the books after this next season and he would be an immediate on field help to whoever is QB this year as a move the chains specialist.  

 

There are going to be a bunch of disagree emoticons and quick replies hating this idea because people think Saquan is done, especially with the injury history.  But I would not write him off so fast.  There have been a long list of guys where a change of scenery to a better situation allowed a player to flourish.  And the talent was there with him, but he has been saddled with an atrocious OL the whole time and even worse QB play.  

 

Plus, we have the most state of the art training facilities and team in the NFL, if there was ever a place for a guy to go and try and put the injuries behind them its here.  And its already proved to be effective as we have had some guys who cant shake the injury bug elsewhere come here and stay healthy at multiple positions.  

 

Additionally, we will still have either Devin or Moss at RB and Allen at QB...meaning we wont need to run Barkley into the ground like they kept trying to do with him in NY and EMC in Carolina.  This will help keep Barkley healthy as well, and a healthy Saquan in this offense could be explosive.  

 

Trade ideas:  Put these and more in the poll too

 

Package A - Moss and a 4th.

Package B - Cole, Moss, and a 6th.

Package C - Devin and a 5th.

Package D - Just draft picks...but I think both teams will be interested in one of our RB's being included.  

 

 

 

 

I think this is one of the stranger ideas you've had.

 

The Giants need to clear cap.  If they keep Saquon on the roster, they owe him $7M fully guaranteed on a 5th year option the previous regime picked up.  But, while a 5th year option is widely reported as "fully guaranteed", "The option year becomes fully guaranteed on the first day of the league year in the fifth contract year"

 

It is guaranteed for injury when exercised, but unless Barkley's team somehow argues for that, the Giants could move on by releasing him.  Sure, they'd like to get something for him instead - but what team is going to trade for the oft-injured Barkley on a 1 year, fully guaranteed at the time of the trade, $7M deal?

 

It's fine to "not write Barkley off so fast", but the Bills have limited cap space.  Why would it serve them to trade both draft picks AND players who are still cheap labor on their rookie deal, for $7M 1 year fully guaranteed contract on a player who has never been able to live up to his promise, and who will need something we currently don't have - a strong run-blocking IOL - to realize his potential here?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Another cursed Penn State RB…

[Mr. WEO]

He's D-U-N done.

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

38 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

I agree I'm always open to ideas on improving the team and Barkley does that day 1. But the giants don't have a reason to trade him, and I don't think many teams want to spend 7 mill on him for 1 year. Granted the only teams that would do that are a team like the Bills making a superbowl push. But it's pretty obvious modern day nfl that paying money for a rb is a massive mistake. I'd bet the panthers and cowboys would go back and not sign big money to rbs. The formula for modern nfl is draft rbs pay them rookie deals, wash rinse repeat. This was the bills plan but they swung and missed on moss. Now we need to replace Singletary before his contract is up.

 

I just don't see how paying Barkley equates in us getting to the SB? People are thinking this is Barkley of old, he now has 2 bum knees, ran 16 times for 593 yards 2 TD (3.7 ypc average) , 41 catches for 263 yards 2 TD. You state Moss is a swing and a miss but I think he's an incomplete due to injuries but you could be right. I really liked Singletary's play when he finally got a legit chance and just don't understand why everyone is so quick to replace him just because he doesn't run faster than the wind.

[BADOLBILZ]

59 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

If New York were willing to eat most of the contract, count me in. Not really interested in giving up an asset for him otherwise. I might consider the Beasley package because I'd like to move on from Beasley anyways, but we can probably make better use of the cap savings from moving Beasley than a RB that hasn't been healthy in years.

 

 

Trading Beasley doesn't save any cap space at all that cutting him wouldn't........his dead money is all in unaccrued signing bonus that the Bills can't shake...........NONE of the rest of his money is guaranteed like Barkley's so it's not even remotely a trade match......it's apples and oranges.

 

And the Giants are right up against the cap.......just $13,000 below it actually😆..........so can't really see them taking on Beasley's $6.1M in trade and THEN asking him to re-do the deal.

 

If the Giants eat all of Barkley's $7M except for the league miniumum.........then he has modest value.........maybe a 5th-7th round pick if he can pass a physical.

 

But why would they pay him to go away like that?    He's in his walk year.   It's in the interest of both parties that he stay and produce as much as he can.

 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[Estro]

Saquan is a name @ this point 

 

He's awful. Injury prone, tons of negative plays. Think Shady near his end.

 

I'd want no part of him

[Nextmanup]

NO thanks, and by the way, what is it with the obsession for a run game by folks here?

 

Did you not see the Bills vs. KC game?  Are you not aware of the 2 teams that are going to play in the SB (Rams and KC)???

 

Think passing, not so much running.

 

And forget about D entirely.

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

They said the same thing about Fred Taylor, Frank Gore, Matthew Stafford, etc too.  Sometimes you just have a run of bad luck, doesn't always mean its a permanent issue.  And like I said, Buffalo has the best training facilities and program in the NFL to help him to get and stay healthy.  Then there is having another RB and Allen here to take a lot of the load off of him too.  

 

So, its a gamble I would take, especially if only costs us say Moss a mid to late pick.  

You’re going back 20+ years to dig up Taylor and 16 years for gore.  Meanwhile, there are 20+ (Maybe 50-100+) instances of RBs that couldn’t get over their injuries and become the back that they may have been. I don’t think it’s a gamble we should take.  Unnecessary risk. Like you said, Singletary is good enough. Why waste assets/cap space on a Rb…..of all the positions to roll the dice and give up cap/picks for…..it just doesn’t make sense to me.  2.8M cap room…..

 

if we trade for him, I’ll be excited to have a Rb with his potential and hope for the best, but I would shocked if it worked out 

[reddogblitz]

Barkley is injury riddled. Not interested.

 

NO is in a similar position. I'd go after Kamara instead.