Offseason Trade Prediction: We acquire Saquan

[Alphadawg7]

Why I think it makes more sense than ever, and why I would actually like to see this happen.  And I am a fan of Devin, not a knock on him at all, but Barkley just brings more to the table.  

 

Schoen just studied under Beane's masterclass on how to rebuild an organization.  Clear the cap first, asses what you have, and start rebuilding.  Giants have a terrible cap situation, first things first will be to start fixing that.  Barkley doesn't make them better, that OL is atrocious and the QB position isn't settled.  He IMHO is almost a lock to be traded somewhere, I really don't think he will be on the roster week 1 in NY.  Plus, Daboll just came from an offense where he didn't lean on the run game.

 

Bills are in a unique position to be able to offer the Giants something in return that can help them try and remain competitive (they want to instill a new culture from the get go) and pieces they are familiar with.  We could send them back a RB that could come in and immediately compete to start for them in Moss or even Devin that are cheap on the cap too.  And then we redo his contract like when we acquired Diggs.

 

Additionally, if we needed to, we could include Cole in a package as well which would be a great piece for the Giants to get because he comes off the books after this next season and he would be an immediate on field help to whoever is QB this year as a move the chains specialist.  

 

There are going to be a bunch of disagree emoticons and quick replies hating this idea because people think Saquan is done, especially with the injury history.  But I would not write him off so fast.  There have been a long list of guys where a change of scenery to a better situation allowed a player to flourish.  And the talent was there with him, but he has been saddled with an atrocious OL the whole time and even worse QB play.  

 

Plus, we have the most state of the art training facilities and team in the NFL, if there was ever a place for a guy to go and try and put the injuries behind them its here.  And its already proved to be effective as we have had some guys who cant shake the injury bug elsewhere come here and stay healthy at multiple positions.  

 

Additionally, we will still have either Devin or Moss at RB and Allen at QB...meaning we wont need to run Barkley into the ground like they kept trying to do with him in NY and EMC in Carolina.  This will help keep Barkley healthy as well, and a healthy Saquan in this offense could be explosive.  

 

Trade ideas:  Put these and more in the poll too

 

Package A - Moss and a 4th.

Package B - Cole, Moss, and a 6th.

Package C - Devin and a 5th.

Package D - Just draft picks...but I think both teams will be interested in one of our RB's being included.  

 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[clayboy54]

I agree that we need a bigger back with speed. However, we do not need to spend a bunch of assets to get one. I said I’d give them a 3rd. I doubt they accept that, so I’d look elsewhere. That said, I think Saquan could help the Bills.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Why I think it makes more sense than ever, and why I would actually like to see this happen.  And I am a fan of Devin, not a knock on him at all, but Barkley just brings more to the table.  

 

Schoen just studied under Beane's masterclass on how to rebuild an organization.  Clear the cap first, asses what you have, and start rebuilding.  Giants have a terrible cap situation, first things first will be to start fixing that.  Barkley doesn't make them better, that OL is atrocious and the QB position isn't settled.  He IMHO is almost a lock to be traded somewhere, I really don't think he will be on the roster week 1 in NY.  Plus, Daboll just came from an offense where he didn't lean on the run game.

 

Bills are in a unique position to be able to offer the Giants something in return that can help them try and remain competitive (they want to instill a new culture from the get go) and pieces they are familiar with.  We could send them back a RB that could come in and immediately compete to start for them in Moss or even Devin that are cheap on the cap too.  And then we redo his contract like when we acquired Diggs.

 

Additionally, if we needed to, we could include Cole in a package as well which would be a great piece for the Giants to get because he comes off the books after this next season and he would be an immediate on field help to whoever is QB this year as a move the chains specialist.  

 

There are going to be a bunch of disagree emoticons and quick replies hating this idea because people think Saquan is done, especially with the injury history.  But I would not write him off so fast.  There have been a long list of guys where a change of scenery to a better situation allowed a player to flourish.  And the talent was there with him, but he has been saddled with an atrocious OL the whole time and even worse QB play.  

 

Plus, we have the most state of the art training facilities and team in the NFL, if there was ever a place for a guy to go and try and put the injuries behind them its here.  And its already proved to be effective as we have had some guys who cant shake the injury bug elsewhere come here and stay healthy at multiple positions.  

 

Additionally, we will still have either Devin or Moss at RB and Allen at QB...meaning we wont need to run Barkley into the ground like they kept trying to do with him in NY and EMC in Carolina.  This will help keep Barkley healthy as well, and a healthy Saquan in this offense could be explosive.  

 

Trade ideas:  Put these and more in the poll too

 

Package A - Moss and a 4th.

Package B - Cole, Moss, and a 6th.

Package C - Devin and a 5th.

Package D - Just draft picks...but I think both teams will be interested in one of our RB's being included.  

 

 

 

 

 

That was a lot of wasted time.

 

With a $7M plus cap hit......coming off two lost seasons............Barkley is less than worthless in trade to any NFL team.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

I agree that we need a bigger back with speed. However, we do not need to spend a bunch of assets to get one. I said I’d give them a 3rd. I doubt they accept that, so I’d look elsewhere. That said, I think Saquan could help the Bills.

 

That is why I think Moss and a 4th gets it done, and I would do that in a hearbeat

 

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That was a lot of wasted time.

 

With a $7M plus cap hit......coming off two lost seasons............Barkley is less than worthless in trade to any NFL team.

 

You clearly did NOT read the post.  If you had, it had the caveat or redoing his contract as part of the acquisition.  

Edited January 29, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[78thealltimegreat]

This makes sense for both teams but I wouldn’t do anything above a 4th for him he’d absolutely go crazy in Buffalo in the same backfield with Allen but Barkleys to hurt to often to make any kind of serious investment in him 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You clearly did NOT read the post.  If you had, it had the caveat or redoing his contract as part of the acquisition.  

If he didn’t read it, it was even more wasted time 😆

[LyndonvilleBill]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That was a lot of wasted time.

 

With a $7M plus cap hit......coming off two lost seasons............Barkley is less than worthless in trade to any NFL team.

This. I thought I was an outlier. 1 full season... I'd rather grab a rookie in the 3rd or 4th instead.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

That is why I think Moss and a 4th gets it done, and I would do that in a hearbeat

 

 

You clearly did NOT read the post.  If you had, it had the caveat or redoing his contract as part of the acquisition.  

 

 

His salary is FULLY GUARANTEED for 2022.

 

Do you understand what that means?    

 

They cut him.........he still gets paid.

 

He has no motivation to "re-do" his deal without guaranteeing him $7M...........nobody is doing that at this point with a RB.

 

Ask Leonard Fournette.........an equally "generational" RB talent.

 

He will cost the Giants capital to get rid of.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

This makes sense for both teams but I wouldn’t do anything above a 4th for him he’d absolutely go crazy in Buffalo in the same backfield with Allen but Barkleys to hurt to often to make any kind of serious investment in him 

 

They said the same thing about Fred Taylor, Frank Gore, Matthew Stafford, etc too.  Sometimes you just have a run of bad luck, doesn't always mean its a permanent issue.  And like I said, Buffalo has the best training facilities and program in the NFL to help him to get and stay healthy.  Then there is having another RB and Allen here to take a lot of the load off of him too.  

 

So, its a gamble I would take, especially if only costs us say Moss a mid to late pick.  

[whorlnut]

7 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

I agree that we need a bigger back with speed. However, we do not need to spend a bunch of assets to get one. I said I’d give them a 3rd. I doubt they accept that, so I’d look elsewhere. That said, I think Saquan could help the Bills.

Are you upset that we sent multiple assets to get Diggs?

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

His salary is FULLY GUARANTEED for 2022.

 

Do you understand what that means?    

 

They cut him.........he still gets paid.

 

He has no motivation to "re-do" his deal without guaranteeing him $7M...........nobody is doing that at this point with a RB.

 

Ask Leonard Fournette.........an equally "generational" RB talent.

 

He will cost the Giants capital to get rid of.

 

They can still do a new contract with him.  

[clayboy54]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

Are you upset that we sent multiple assets to get Diggs?

Saquon Barkley ain’t no Diggs.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

They said the same thing about Fred Taylor, Frank Gore, Matthew Stafford, etc too.  Sometimes you just have a run of bad luck, doesn't always mean its a permanent issue.  And like I said, Buffalo has the best training facilities and program in the NFL to help him to get and stay healthy.  Then there is having another RB and Allen here to take a lot of the load off of him too.  

 

So, its a gamble I would take, especially if only costs us say Moss a mid to late pick.  

Exactly. The hammy is a concern, but anyone in this world can slip on ice and sprain and ankle or tear an acl. 

Just now, clayboy54 said:

Saquon Barkley ain’t no Diggs.

And you know this how?  Saquon was simply unbelievable the season he was healthy. Barkley in the offense would be electric. 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Not sure why people think running the ball more is what the Bills offense needs… just get Josh some more weapons outside and better protection while mixing in some runs to keep the defense honest. 

 

Because Josh cant keep this pace up and expect his body to hold up.  The guy leaves 110% of himself and his soul on that field every Sunday.  His body takes a pounding running the ball.  

 

Great he is 25...but at some point that beating is going to catch up with him, it always does.  We need to take some of that weight off him literally.

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Because Josh cant keep this pace up and expect his body to hold up.  The guy leaves 110% of himself and his soul on that field every Sunday.  His body takes a pounding running the ball.  

 

Great he is 25...but at some point that beating is going to catch up with him, it always does.  We need to take some of that weight off him literally.

BOOM!!!!

 

I am sick at all the defense talk. It’s completely unrealistic that Allen can keep doing what he is doing now in a few years. He needs elite weapons to help him. Or an impenetrable offensive line. Or both. 
 

I think too many people look at the offensive output the last two games and think we are ok there. I don’t agree. Allen simply played at an all time level. Singletary is still slow. Beasley is still old. Sanders is still gone. The line still has its issues. To think that we need to pair a former first round corner with another one is a misjudgment in my opinion. You can easily take a respectable talent in the mid rounds. We found gabe in round 4. Why can’t we take a WR or OL in round 1 and find a solid CB2 in round 4?

 

I think this fanbase is so used to drafting defense high that they know no other way. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

They can still do a new contract with him.  

 

Oh really?   What would that contract look like to you?

 

If Barkley were cut today.........he would clear waivers and become a free agent because of that $7M+ guaranteed contract.

 

He has ZERO trade value.

 

The only way he gets traded is if the Giants eat all but the league minimum portion of his contract.

 

Any new deal he gets from another team will START with $7M in guarantees.

 

The Bills are a bit tight for cap space...........they would likely have to spread a deal with him over 3 years or more to get him in for a $2M type cap hit..........which begs the question "why would Barkley accept two cheap years added to his contract?".

 

He would not.

 

His goal is to collect his $7M...........have a big year.........and hit free agency.

 

Trading him doesn't make sense for either the Giants or Barkley at this point..........they might as well roll with him.

[Real McClappy]

2 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

BOOM!!!!

 

I am sick at all the defense talk. It’s completely unrealistic that Allen can keep doing what he is doing now in a few years. He needs elite weapons to help him. Or an impenetrable offensive line. Or both. 
 

I think too many people look at the offensive output the last two games and think we are ok there. I don’t agree. Allen simply played at an all time level. Singletary is still slow. Beasley is still old. Sanders is still gone. The line still has its issues. To think that we need to pair a former first round corner with another one is a misjudgment in my opinion. You can easily take a respectable talent in the mid rounds. We found gabe in round 4. Why can’t we take a WR or OL in round 1 and find a solid CB2 in round 4?

 

I think this fanbase is so used to drafting defense high that they know no other way. 

We can and should. Load up weapons and blockers around Allen and this team will be unstoppable. 

 

We have spent a ton of draft capital on the Defense and the unit is solid enough at this phase to sustain a couple yrs using later rd draft picks.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I'm not going to knock someone's idea to better the team I just don't think the fit is right for us, he's coming off 2 major operations and clearly wasn't up to form and his cap hit would be a negative also (I think 7+M range). He could still be a great player but the risk is more than the reward imo. I'd rather see the Bills invest in a solid pass rusher to replace Jerry Hughes and a solid DT opposite of Ed Oliver, a guy who can eat up blocks while Ed Oliver destroys RB's and QB's. I'm not sure why people want to replace motor, the guy balled out for us and he isn't a problem. If anything get a nice speed back late in the rounds to compliment both he and Moss which would make more sense imo.

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

I'm not going to knock someone's idea to better the team I just don't think the fit is right for us, he's coming off 2 major operations and clearly wasn't up to form and his cap hit would be a negative also (I think 7+M range). He could still be a great player but the risk is more than the reward imo. I'd rather see the Bills invest in a solid pass rusher to replace Jerry Hughes and a solid DT opposite of Ed Oliver, a guy who can eat up blocks while Ed Oliver destroys RB's and QB's. I'm not sure why people want to replace motor, the guy balled out for us and he isn't a problem. If anything get a nice speed back late in the rounds to compliment both he and Moss which would make more sense imo.

Great…so more high picks on defense and wait until the mid to late rounds to help the offense. I really don’t know what to say…🙄

[SCBills]

I’d probably do Moss and a 4th.  He won’t get a ton of wear and tear in our offense and “if” he stays healthy, would be an absolute weapon.  
 

That said, I don’t love giving up a 4th Round Pick for a one year rental RB.  I’d feel better about it if we could get a multi-year extension at a lessened cap hit down the line and/or team option. 
 

He’s also someone that could benefit from our strength & conditioning philosophy and facilities.