Bass didn't get the memo (Joe B All-22)?

[bigK14094]

5 hours ago, Mopreme said:

Someone’s head needs to roll. This isn’t just a week 4 game.  As mentioned, a firing offense was committed.  

imho, the special  teams coach.....

 

This MISTAKE reminds me of the REX Ryan era.  10 men on the field....etc, but this was much bigger.

[34-78-83]

2 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

imho, the special  teams coach.....

 

The evidence has been out there for days here - 

 

no idea why so many seem to forget this resource is out there for all of our games as a source of validation for what REALLY happens out there on the field.

[LV Bills fan]

The real problem… Josh and Gabe hooked up a play too early. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

With how loud that stadium is, perhaps it was as simple as Bass not hearing the call correctly, or him just incorrectly assuming he was supposed to kick it deep.

 

I think the worse offense was their defensive calls, though. When they kicked it into the end zone I thought "Ok, I guess they didn't want to risk a return. They had a big return earlier. Whatever."

 

But prevent defense? Leaving the middle of the field wide open? That is the true failure here. The Chiefs had three time outs.

It would not have been that loud during the tv timeout. Remember Bills had just scored and were about to win the game. The crowd was not screaming.

Why is this so hard? McDermott screwed up. Either directly or his staff screwed up but in the moment he should be making all the decisions. It is his fault the Bills aren't playing this weekend. Levi Wallace does not line up 15 yards off the ball if not by design. He will be the coach next year. He will either get better or he won't.  Our only hope is Allen. 

[VaMilBill]

1 hour ago, DrPJax said:

Actually an interesting point.  In todays NFL, and to a much greater or worse extent in college , players have had almost all of their decision making done on a play to play basis by the coaches.  Its not enough to have a guy with a mic in his helmet, but they have armbands, hand signals, large cue cards , etc on the sidelines as players have essentially lost all their ability to go play to play or are not allowed to have a down “ unsupervised or un-coached” I am guessing as it’s seen to be so fact filled to be trusted for any time without input.  These guys are so regimented in every aspect of their day to day lives regarding their football careers and playing days , that maybe they just can’t make any decisions without input, so they stick to routine so much so that they , especially young players or rookies, don’t expect to ask questions or speak much.
 

Rather than question someone , they might just feel they are expected to be obedient, so if the coach didn’t get the message to Bass, he just stayed quiet and went to do his routine job. It even showed up regarding the Kelce plays. Guys, lineman and dbs, were were within earshot of Kelces  conversation with Mahomes and then Mahomes yelling for Kelce to do it , and a d lineman ( a young, inexperienced obada ) was within 3 feet of Kelce at the line , yet no one moved an inch to press him off the line! They just stood in place , like good soldiers obeying what they were coached to do even tho I could never fathom that would have happened with the 90’s team/ players; they were too intelligent and they freelanced all the time.  Freelance now and you will be benched by McD!  It just goes to show they have complicated the game so much that now every moved is micromanaged and not without coaching input!  No freelancing , and Heaven forbid if you do something on your own even when based on your football intelligence and Iq, it’s just not acceptable. It’s such a rigid environment that individual decision making , and thinking on your feet, is outdated!  😁

Totally understand. And like any job, once you gain more experience you feel more comfortable speaking up and being more assertive. 
 

Our defense is built on being disciplined and every player being predictable snd doing their job. That’s why our defense never really gives up big plays. 
 

on the same point, I’m not proposing freelancing. But I think someone like Jordan or Micah on defense could have stepped up and spoken out after the first play for gain on the last drive. And I think Bass, who’s been a really good kicker could have done the same. 
 

I understand it’s a tough position for a player to be in. But I know I’d rather have a thinker on the field instead of a robot (cough cough Tremaine Edmunds). 

[97bills]

10 hours ago, Mopreme said:

Someone’s head needs to roll. This isn’t just a week 4 game.  As mentioned, a firing offense was committed.  

That’s why I think McDermott had a big part in this, I really think he was playing the TD coached scared and cost us 

[BarleyNY]

11 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

So how come the other players got

the call and he did not?  Apparently he wasn’t present with everyone else. 

Well, it wasn’t because he was practicing kicking into a net.  Also he didn’t seem to be the only one. 

[Freddie's Dead]

More confirmation of the McChoke.

 

[ChrisWatson#21]

 

They outdid themselves this year from "Hail Murray" to "13 seconds".    I wonder if some of the players actually have lost faith in McDermott after showing poor situational awareness.

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

 

They outdid themselves this year from "Hail Murray" to "13 seconds".    I wonder if some of the players actually have lost faith in McDermott after showing poor situational awareness.

 

Believe me i was texting "fire everyone" (and posting about Sean Payton) because I immediately thought there is no way the players can trust processes after that especially if we called an end zone kick.  That call to me is the most important.  If I'm a player I'd like to know at the very least that wasn't called.  It would be very hard for McD especially if the following happened:

 

1. McD called for it to get kicked deep - if the ST coaches wanted to squibb - thats obviously a terrible look.  But we have evidence that says its highly likely we did call a squibb or pop up to the 5-10 yard line.  Bass apparently is being put in hiding until training camp to protect him because even if he did mess up, it's not on him so he doesn't deserve irrational wrath right now with tempers high.  I do think it's important the coaches protect him but at the same time they just can't let people think they made such a bad decision.  They're trying to walk that line and it's tough but I get it.  

 

2.  Did Frazier (or even players like Hyde Poyer or Milano) want to rush only 2 or even 1 guy - and press - but then McD called for what we saw - I think this is where the players and coaches were definitely not on the same page and they'll tell you as much - or they own it all and call it all what it was...

 

Just a collaborative meltdown everyone wishes they could have just one of the plays back.  They have 2 choices.  One, blame everyone blame coaches whoever.  Or two, they rally behind each other and remember what they built here and what they still have time to finish. 

 

The front office needs to get a bit more speed, firepower, and pieces on defense that will finish the job.  

Edited January 30, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, TPS said:

In his weekly look at the film, Joe B suggests things point to Bass not getting the word on the kick-off, given the reaction of Johnson and Neal (I'm unable to include the photos):

1. The ’13 seconds’ meltdown and what the film shows

https://theathletic.com/3099135/2022/01/29/clues-to-the-bills-13-seconds-meltdown-and-josh-allens-remarkable-brilliance-all-22-film-review/

 

 

Bass should have been smart enough to figure out that time needed to off the clock.

 

Sometimes you have to disobey orders. Like at work when your boss tells you to do something a certain way but you know thats not how it should be done so you tell them , of course, and then do it the right way and then the boss thanks you later for doing a good job.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

If you’re a smart football player you would think you would QA with the head coach what he wants. 
 

if I were Bass and I wasn’t told to squib it I’d go over to the HC and confirm he wants me to kick it out of the EZ. And if he said no I’d recommend squibbing it anyway. Sometimes players need to think for themselves some too

 

Not  squib but kick it to the 10-5 yard line.

 

 

15 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

How does McDermott not physically call his entire ST, including Bass and scream to them at the top of his lungs exactly what he wants done?  Everyone heard it except Bass? Does Tyler need a hearing aid or did he just kick it too hard? He's been successfully doing that pop up kick all year. This play was so screwed up it's incredible how billsy it was.

 

i imagine they did it like they always do but for whatever reason bass didn't get it. Im sure McD will do that in the future but bass should have come over if he didn't get it.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, 97bills said:

Man if this is true that’s terrible in a big game like that I want my coach talking to the players his self no confusion. No matter what it all leads back to McDermott especially after those two timeouts. And I no we’ve talked about it over and over but I just can’t stop thinking about it we’re is our defensive leader screaming out watch kelce 

or fix the play ,I could see from my couch they were playing off to far. I think we need a leader on defense, hell Addison could of said watch kelce he’s talking about running up the seam. IDK 🤷‍♂️ man I just got to let it go lol 
 

 

Should have bull rushed kelce into the backfield

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, zow2 said:

The team was 0-6 in one score games.  That can’t be dumb luck, they were flawed. The entire offseason should be spent trying to correct it.

 

It was the other way around the year before.

 

 

[Turk71]

  Okay, Bass didn't get the memo on the kickoff; as if blaming him explains that entire tragic embarrassment. What a crock of *****. Meanwhile nobody has anything to offer about WTF happened on the next 2 plays? 

  Someone really needs to explain their thinking. That was just beyond stupid.  

[Einstein]

Forget the kickoff.

 

Look at this freaking defense!!

 

Levi is left on an island with Kelce.

 

 

[WotAGuy]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Forget the kickoff.

 

Look at this freaking defense!!

 

Levi is left on an island with Kelce.

 

 

FanDuel and BetMGM are behind this, orchestrated by Belichick. We all knew it would lead to this. 

[Einstein]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

FanDuel and BetMGM are behind this, orchestrated by Belichick. We all knew it would lead to this. 

 

I can’t believe how poor the coaching was on this.

For McDermott to blame “execution” is disgusting.

 

Levi had NO hope. If he shades inside, Kelce can go outside and up the sideline. If he shades outside (which he did), Kelce can go right down the middle (which he did).

Absolutely catastrophically poor coaching.