klos63 Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, Nihilarian said: Yes, and while Parcells was first time HC with a legend for his DC. He also had George Young as GM. Coughlin had 8 years exp as HC. Daboll is a rookie HC with a rookie GM, both taking over a franchise that hasn't had a winning season for 5 years. 3-13, 5-11, 4-12, 6-10, 4-13. Bottom of the division for awhile now. Currently 31st ranked offense in 2021. Defense 20th or so. Tell me about how the last two NY Giants head coaches did, Joe Judge, Pat Shurmur... Was Belichick a legend in the 80's? Can we discuss every head coach in Buffalo except for Saban, Knox, Levy and McDermott... over 61 seasons? Is your argument that it's easier to succeed in Buffalo than in NY? Quote
oldmanfan Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Beast said: The Giants atmosphere that has 4 SB titles and has been a relatively successful team over ghe last 40 years? The Giants atmosphere where the owners have resisted changing with the times and micromanaged woth a fan base that will not give him any margin for error. Parcells and Coughlin left a long time ago. 1 Quote
klos63 Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Process said: As an organization yes..but Golladay, Toney, Shephard, Slayton, Engram, Rudolph, Barkley...he's got some weapons. And two top 10 picks. They are also in a terrible division. QB is obviously a major question mark, but there are worse situations to go too. They need a rebuild, they are in terrible cap situation for a lousy team. Quote
Simon Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, loyal2dagame said: If Dorsey leaves with Daboll, I'm gonna be worried. Stability matters. Especially for young men. What if guys don't click with the next OC. What if Daboll was laid back and the next guy comes in like a drill sergeant. I'd rather keep what these players are familiar with. I get your point, but I really don't think McDermott and Beane are going to hire that guy. McClappy is too positive to let that kind of bad juju in his locker room. 1 Quote
newcam2012 Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Trubisky? He's done more and has better stats than a bunch of guys who are starting or lined up to start. I'm not saying he's a top 10 or a top 15 QB based on last year's performance, but I think he can make a strong case to be better than 8-10 guys who started last season. True but that isn't saying much is it? Quote
Saxum Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Yes, and while Parcells was first time HC with a legend for his DC. He also had George Young as GM. Coughlin had 8 years exp as HC. Daboll is a rookie HC with a rookie GM, both taking over a franchise that hasn't had a winning season for 5 years. 3-13, 5-11, 4-12, 6-10, 4-13. Bottom of the division for awhile now. Currently 31st ranked offense in 2021. Defense 20th or so. Tell me about how the last two NY Giants head coaches did, Joe Judge, Pat Shurmur... The last two Jiants coaches greatly to do with why they have not had a winning season for 5 years. Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Beast said: The Giants atmosphere that has 4 SB titles and has been a relatively successful team over ghe last 40 years? Have you watched them since they won the Super Bowl last? They have been the worst team in their conference for the last 5 years Quote
Beast Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, oldmanfan said: The Giants atmosphere where the owners have resisted changing with the times and micromanaged woth a fan base that will not give him any margin for error. Parcells and Coughlin left a long time ago. They also went to a SB in between those times. The Giants are one of the flagship franchises in the NFL. Quote
Chaos Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Best regards for him. He did a helluva job developing Josh. Hope he does well but the Giants atmosphere will make it difficult. Josh made Daboll 1 Quote
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, Limeaid said: Daboll is not the same person he was when he joined the Bills. When he joined the Bills he was screaming at Josh Allen a lot and finally figured out he would do a better job from the booth and things changed. He became a close friend to Josh and a mentor. He learned a lot from Coach McD and Fraizer as well. I agree with this, but there's an interesting point here. I think Daboll was "led" to the conclusion he'd be better in the booth by McDermott. Daboll has said something to the effect that you get too invested in the play that just ran and it's easier to put it aside and move on to the next from the booth. So....is he ready to stand on the sidelines? Are there any HC who work from the booth on gameday? Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Disappointed. I wanted him to go to Miami so Frazier would leave and go to the Giants. Now I don't think he is in the running for any other jobs. I don't want Frazier back personally, and its not just because of the Chiefs game, I just think I am ready to see what a new DC does with the pieces we have here. Quote
oldmanfan Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, Chaos said: Josh made Daboll Just not true. Josh had things that had to be corrected. Bills fans need to stop with this kind of crap. 1 Quote
Beast Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Have you watched them since they won the Super Bowl last? They have been the worst team in their conference for the last 5 years Um, yeah. And you think tbey are going to be caught in this funk forever? Newsflash: Team can improve after regime changes. Remember 5 years ago? Quote
oldmanfan Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Beast said: They also went to a SB in between those times. The Giants are one of the flagship franchises in the NFL. Were. 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, oldmanfan said: Just not true. Josh had things that had to be corrected. Bills fans need to stop with this kind of crap. 100% true 1 Quote
Chaos Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, oldmanfan said: Just not true. Josh had things that had to be corrected. Bills fans need to stop with this kind of crap. You are simply wrong. You need to stop with your crap. 1 1 Quote
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Sounds like Daboll and Dorsey are a package deal. Quote
Saxum Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, Chaos said: You are simply wrong. You need to stop with your crap. So says the dung farmer with piles of wet product he cannot sell. Quote
Patrick Duffy Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 Well congrats to him and a big thanks for his time with Bills, but I can honestly say I'm excited to see what the next OC can do with this Offense and the amount of talent it has. 1 1 Quote
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) Pederson is not a good fit. He runs the West Coast offense which would be a huge change for Josh. Incidentally that's the offense that Andy Reid and Mahommes run. You need someone fluent in the Erhardt-Perkins offense offense which is what Daboll and Josh run. Daboll learned everything he knows about Erhardt-Perkins from his time at Alabama and being under Nick Saban. That's what Alabama runs to this day so the only logical choice is Bill OBrien the current OC at Alabama. OBrien (former HC for the texans) could come here and run the same offense and run it better than Daboll without missing a beat. Edited January 29, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm Quote
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