Where did the intelligent liberals go?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

One of the biggest changes from liberals that I respected and appreciated in the past versus  todays brand of liberals are today, they seem like mostly small minded moths attracted to the flame of whatever leaders tell them and free giveaway types of mantras.. they are programmed sycophantic, and generally unimpressive from an intellectual standpoint.

 

where did the intellectually smart liberals go? 
 

On this board you’ve got a racist old guy that secretly loves hitler socialism and a propaganda bot that loses every argument ever to represent the current dems.  But it’s lacking smart liberals that can intelligently debate their points to drive real conversation.

 

it it time to try and recruit more intelligent liberal contributors?

[Big Blitz]

Misnomer.  

 

In all seriousness Russel Brand Bill Maher Nate Silver all think this Covid hysteria is insane.  And Joe Rogan has never been and is no William Buckley. 

 

It's at the very least made them question the power of the State - and the inherent evil that exists in today's New Fascist Left that they were completely blind to when Obama was bull ****ing everyone about "hope."

 

 

 

You can't be a liberal and not stand for individual liberty or attach a "but" to it.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Big Blitz

[LeviF]

They’ve either had to accept that their worldview inevitably ends in petty tyranny and change it accordingly, or refuse to acknowledge their error and simply fall silent. Many chose the latter. 
 

Travel back to the year 2000 and tell a liberal that the Democratic Party would openly call for state-sanctioned sponsorship and top-down information management as well as open war in Eastern Europe in the year 2022 and they’d slap you. 

[Buffarukus]

as someone who grew up democrat, in a solid blue city id offer my services as a devils advocate to directly debate topics without steering directly to trump whatabouts but this s#it has gone off the rails to even try. and i do. i try to look at things from both sides its just impossable at this point.

 

anyone arguing from a place of segregation good. authoritarianism. more please. identity politics. great! killing others speach. terrific!  government working in tadem with huge global monopolies. awesome!

 

they never held liberal beliefs to begin with.  you don't switch 180 degrees on this many topics this quickly. ethics just sway in the breeze. they are told what to stand for and never question it. pretty hard to have a honest debate about something that you don't truley believe in. the overwhelming amount of media that tells them they are virtuous if they take a particular stance and evil if they don't will always just flow with precieved consensus and not anything they value enough to defend on its own merits. 

 

if your interested i can argue some old stances. occupy wall street for example. i see alot of similarities between where that was coming from and never understood the republican stance against it. i see alot of similarities where now the right is fighting that fight today and now the left opposes it. 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Buffarukus

[L Ron Burgundy]

Many have stooped to the other sides level, meaning the lowest of the right.  This board in ppp is all about "see how dumb your side is" and gotchas.  Most of the left is not the Twitter loving offended by everything tool bags.  The right is equally guilty.

[Buffarukus]

1 hour ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Many have stooped to the other sides level, meaning the lowest of the right.  This board in ppp is all about "see how dumb your side is" and gotchas.  Most of the left is not the Twitter loving offended by everything tool bags.  The right is equally guilty.

 

yeah but the "Twitter loving offended by everything tool bags." segment is the loudest and thus getting alot of attention and actually changing society for the worst. why? because they are being given the approval of morality by the media. "MOST"  if thats true leftists then seem content to be silent about it all. hey if women are pushed aside its "inclusive". ids arent racist but hell ill go along with it because saying that means im a trumper. antivaxer. misinformation, cancellation..ect ect so ill stay nice and quiet and let the "tool bags" run the joint until im dodging  homeless encampments with no idea how to ever address it. allowing widespread looting to flood my city. listening to giant pharma corporations and getting people fired AGAINST federal laws. wouldn't want to come off as not tolerant. ANYTHING just so not to be associated with  "them". bill mahr, what i would consider a traditional leftist with a unshakable bias and Weis a left journalist who left the NY times based on activist TAKEOVER of journalism. they are way late to the party, saying things that should be common sense by now. two years of evidence later. 

 

 

you think this view isnt getting blasted for...misinformation with ongoing baseless emotionally driven parroting? 

 

i guess you can say the right equivalent is Qanon? any mainstream shows talking about eating babies? the right crazies are acknowledged by the right as crazy. they are laughed at and given 0 cultural power. i see a ton of people on here acknowledging they never liked trump! not so much biden..hes doin great. fox the singular main network that gives opposition. thats it. so what exactly is unique about red states that isnt against mandate even come close to the left states? seem mostly the same. they have no sig difference in covid so thats all gaslighting. other then that the only insane thing may be the abortion laws presented. 

 

these things are not close to equal friend. i think the lefts side is much larger then you'd like to acknowledge in that regard. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Buffarukus

[Doc Brown]

That's like asking why there aren't any intelligent Patriots fans on a Bills message board.  Outnumbered and not worth the time.

[GETTOTHE50]

No liberal has actually been ‘intellectually’ smart. They just have more ‘composure’ (used to anyway until trump exposed them) because they argue together while presenting their arguments as if they have the upper ‘moral’ hand. It’s very entitled and very pretentious. But thats what happens when your brainwashed daily.

 

They don’t care about reaching a middle ground. They want you to surrender to their views. 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

The intelligent liberals are still out there.  They've just been silenced and marginalized like most conservatives.  Historically, liberals have fought the establishment, been against war, and generally fought for the working person against big oppressive governments and corporations.  I grew up in an environment surrounded by men and women from the labor movement so I know what a "real" liberal looks like.  I know what real people fighting for workers rights and civil rights look like.  I know how they act and how to judge a persons genuine interest and commitment to a cause.  I know what people look like that have sacrificed to help others.

 

The current crop of liberals on the left are a bunch of posers.  What they fight for is themselves.  To acquire power by leveraging off the suffering of others.  Never doing much to help them or solve any problems they face.  Completely fake.  Deceivers.  Fixing nothing while taking for themselves.     

 

But the key thing is that today's liberals operate under a self-delusion.  They see themselves as revolutionaries or resistance fighters against the forces of oppression.  They see themselves as champions and advocates of the under-privileged and the oppressed.  They see themselves as fighting for social and economic justice against some evil establishment system.  But they're lying to themselves and for that matter to everyone else.  Because how can you be fighting against the establishment, big government, big corporations, and other power centers when every view you hold is consistent and aligned with the views and interests of that establishment?  The fundamental truth is that today's liberals aren't fighting the establishment.  They are the establishment!  

 

Look at the views on the board.  The self-identified liberals support government mandates, support endless war and aggression , support suppression of press freedoms, support discrimination through quotas and preferences, support powerful tech companies in suppressing freedom of expression.  Claim to support democracy through the imposition of authoritarian restrictions on rights and freedoms.  All things that harm the individual.  Mostly people on the bottom trying to work themselves out of it.  Claim to fight against the corrupt in government and business life while supporting the very officials and corporate executives and billionaires that are the most corrupt.  

 

The most frightening thing is they will not recognize a single word I write here.  The have zero self-awareness and wouldn't recognize a real liberal to save their life.

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Where did the intelligent liberals go? They’ve been shouted down and relegated to the back bench. Why? In my opinion for two reasons. First, the Great Recession changed things for an entire generation who witnessed or personally experienced a lot of economic carnage. Those young liberals have simply quit! They’d prefer being taken care of by the State. Personal effort and responsibilities seem way like way too much work and bring more risk than reward. The second reason comes down to leadership. Nancy Pelosi will forever go down as one of the worst congressional ‘leaders’ in history. Her style of personal gain and scorched earth destruction has ruined the Democratic Party leaving the door open for a clown car of nitwits to take root. She’s traded her principles for a power seat, laughing all the way to the bank, and leaving no room for work-a-day liberals. Don’t believe me? Go to ANY construction site and try and find a Biden bumper sticker on a truck…you won’t find one. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Yeah got to admit…. Many of the things I Found absolutely deplorable about Republicans decades ago are either irrelevant in 2022, present in both parties or are even worse in democrats now. 
 

 

[Beach]

liberals came up with the most genius way to win every argument.  they just call you a racist and its over.

[Orlando Buffalo]

The definition of liberals has changed drastically since the late 80s. If you had told my grandparents what liberals stand for now they would be disgusted. Open borders, pro criminal, judging people primarily on the color of their skin, all of these are the basis of current democrat policies.

[Big Blitz]

This is so unbelievably..........not intellectual 

 

 

Wtf does this even mean?  

 

Watts is jumbling all the Commie talking points about absolutely nothing because they have absolutely nothing 

 

Preserve our democracy?  Cultural change?

 

Oh sorry.... it's "force" Cultural change.  Interesting. 

 

 

 

 

Those 2 useless hippies want to cancel Spotify.  

 

Preserve our democracy?

 

Wtf is wrong with these people

 

 

 

Your 2022 Leftists ladies and gentlemen!

Edited January 29, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Buffarukus]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

This is so unbelievably..........not intellectual 

 

 

Wtf does this even mean?  

 

Watts is jumbling all the Commie talking points about absolutely nothing because they have absolutely nothing 

 

Preserve our democracy?  Cultural change?

 

Oh sorry.... it's "force" Cultural change.  Interesting. 

 

 

 

 

Those 2 useless hippies want to cancel Spotify.  

 

Preserve our democracy?

 

Wtf is wrong with these people

 

 

 

Your 2022 Leftists ladies and gentlemen!

 

guess its time to get a spotify sub. this has been a sustained attack for a very long time. pretty obvious the powers that be are getting really desperate to get back control of the narrative when 1 on 1 conversations with a pothead comedian are THIS threatening. he better realize how serious this is because the next move is "accusations". he's decimating corporate medias ratings and its obvious the public is very aware of what's happening. but im sure the heads at spotify are taking calls from very important people perfectly fine to buy out that contract, to keep us all safe.

 

next up bill mahr.  who i showed earlier in the thread. uh oh. is the damn starting to crack so fast they cant shove their fingers in?

 

 

bill, unfortunately you been showing signs of having principals last 2 shows. a conversation about how dangerous a biased ACLU is? ANOTHER talk about how the covid restrictions are ridiculous? yikes! sorry but you are now right wing nut and dangerous. get ready for the full smear campaign cause this kind of misinformation causes trauma. but listen to that liberal california crowd cheer..hmm.

 

hopefully the dominoes will keep falling. the voice is getting louder and the sheep will silently pretend they were on this side all along. i can almost hear the sound of usernames being changed lol. here's to hoping anyways.

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Buffarukus

[Big Blitz]

We're headed toward a social credit system 

 

Only "correct" thought will be permitted 

 

We're in a scary scary place and it's not a majority - it's a minority of left wing communist lunatics that control every major medium of information on the planet. 

 

This isn't sustainable nor end well.  You aren't a private company anymore when you are fully embraced, utilized, and cooperating with the State carrying out the States demands. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

On 1/27/2022 at 8:36 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

One of the biggest changes from liberals that I respected and appreciated in the past versus  todays brand of liberals are today, they seem like mostly small minded moths attracted to the flame of whatever leaders tell them and free giveaway types of mantras.. they are programmed sycophantic, and generally unimpressive from an intellectual standpoint.

 

where did the intellectually smart liberals go? 
 

On this board you’ve got a racist old guy that secretly loves hitler socialism and a propaganda bot that loses every argument ever to represent the current dems.  But it’s lacking smart liberals that can intelligently debate their points to drive real conversation.

 

it it time to try and recruit more intelligent liberal contributors?

I don’t consider myself super intelligent...but I believe I am, at least, an intellectually curious liberal...👍

 

And for the record, censorship is not a Liberal cause, but a fascist one...Any real liberal, worth their salt, fully understands this concept...

Edited January 30, 2022 by JaCrispy

[John Adams]

19 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t consider myself super intelligent...

 

Baby steps to self actualization. 

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 1/28/2022 at 3:59 AM, Doc Brown said:

That's like asking why there aren't any intelligent Patriots fans on a Bills message board.  Outnumbered and not worth the time.

 

True, but the disparity in numbers is not the real problem.

 

PPP forum: “Liberals are all stupid, lazy, power-hungry, and morally repugnant.”

 

Also PPP forum: “Hey, how come liberals don’t want to converse with us??”

 

On 1/28/2022 at 7:14 AM, All_Pro_Bills said:

The intelligent liberals are still out there.  They've just been silenced and marginalized like most conservatives.  Historically, liberals have fought the establishment, been against war, and generally fought for the working person against big oppressive governments and corporations.  I grew up in an environment surrounded by men and women from the labor movement so I know what a "real" liberal looks like.  I know what real people fighting for workers rights and civil rights look like.  I know how they act and how to judge a persons genuine interest and commitment to a cause.  I know what people look like that have sacrificed to help others.

 

The current crop of liberals on the left are a bunch of posers.  What they fight for is themselves.  To acquire power by leveraging off the suffering of others.  Never doing much to help them or solve any problems they face.  Completely fake.  Deceivers.  Fixing nothing while taking for themselves.     

 

But the key thing is that today's liberals operate under a self-delusion.  They see themselves as revolutionaries or resistance fighters against the forces of oppression.  They see themselves as champions and advocates of the under-privileged and the oppressed.  They see themselves as fighting for social and economic justice against some evil establishment system.  But they're lying to themselves and for that matter to everyone else.  Because how can you be fighting against the establishment, big government, big corporations, and other power centers when every view you hold is consistent and aligned with the views and interests of that establishment?  The fundamental truth is that today's liberals aren't fighting the establishment.  They are the establishment!  

 

Look at the views on the board.  The self-identified liberals support government mandates, support endless war and aggression , support suppression of press freedoms, support discrimination through quotas and preferences, support powerful tech companies in suppressing freedom of expression.  Claim to support democracy through the imposition of authoritarian restrictions on rights and freedoms.  All things that harm the individual.  Mostly people on the bottom trying to work themselves out of it.  Claim to fight against the corrupt in government and business life while supporting the very officials and corporate executives and billionaires that are the most corrupt.  

 

The most frightening thing is they will not recognize a single word I write here.  The have zero self-awareness and wouldn't recognize a real liberal to save their life.

 

Interesting take. However, I’d drop the “intelligent liberal” versus “stupid liberal” dichotomy because it’s unproductive. If I’m interpreting your post correctly, you seem to be asking why the modern American left is so pro-establishment and wondering what happened to all the anti-establishment lefties (i.e. the lefties who are pro-labor, pro-free speech, and anti-American imperialism and who tend to prioritize these issues over social justice warrior ones)?

 

Well as someone who happens to be personally well-connected with far-left NYC politicians, I can assure you that this anti-establishment left still exists and is fairly robust, albeit currently powerless. They formed the backbone of the 2008 Obama campaign in opposition to Hillary’s, the 2016 Sanders campaign in opposition again to Hillary’s, and the 2020 Sanders campaign in opposition to basically the rest of the Democratic Party field. You probably wouldn’t know of their existence if you only consumed corporate media like Fox and MSNBC, but you will hear from them again during the mid-term primaries and again during the 2024 primaries. The anti-establishment subset of the left has been embroiled in a 14-month-long civil war over political strategy and various policy purity litmus tests with the goal of identifying all the poseurs, but they will be ready to do battle with the Democratic Party establishment when the time is ripe! Though winner-take-all electoral systems do make strange bedfellows, unfortunately…

 

A small aside: I really don’t like the sloppy use of the word “liberal” in this thread. Like “Marxist” and “progressive,” it’s a label that has lost most of its original meaning in the American vernacular. Please add a modifier. Thank you. There are “classical liberals” on the right, and then there are “modern liberals” that comprise the left along with the “center-leftists,” “social democrats,” and “democratic socialists.” The “modern liberals” and “center-leftists” are essentially variations of “neoliberal,” while the “social democrats” and “democratic socialists” are “progressives.” And the “democratic socialists,” of course, are the only true “Marxists” among the types. Does that make sense to everyone?? Agree? Disagree? I’m a real stickler for language precision, as you can tell…

 

Final comment: right-wingers who live in glass establishment houses shouldn’t be throwing stones! The neocons and crony capitalists still own the GOP, despite all the sweet political nothings that every right-winger’s favorite faux populist boyfriend in the orange clown makeup has whispered in their ears during the past half-decade.

[B-Man]

 

 

Where did the intelligent liberals go?

 

 

3 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

 

 

 

There's one.