Tiberius Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, LeviF said: Leftists and neolibs/RINOs wringing their hands about "disrupting commerce" don't understand how rule changes can affect them down the road. In 2020 American cities were set on fire, stores looted, dozens of people killed, all supported by local governments, Congress, the fourth estate, and most, if not all, Fortune 500 companies. In 2021 dozens of churches in Canada were subject to arson and other attacks because of a fake news mass grave story. All this while they set to ruining people's lives, selling their economic futures to Bezos et al, with the mandates that the truckers are currently protesting. If you saw all of that and didn't perceive that we have entered a new political age, I'm not sure what I can say that will make you see. You can find, on social media, every day, new videos of people being beaten in the streets, kids being forced to isolate from their friends at school, and massive incidents of theft, all so that the regime elites can get richer and reward their loyal subjects with fake accolades. The truckers aren't demanding massive class shifts, billions of dollars, or the handover of political power. They want the most idiotic regulations a bureaucracy has ever produced to end. So yes, a blockade that impedes the trade of a nation is typically an act of war. That said, I am pro-trucker. So you want to bring on a civil war by doing this. Ok. Or would you want it to be a race war? Just now, Big Blitz said: Seattle ceded downtown blocks for weeks. Declared it an autonomous zone. Chaz. Other deep blue cities did the same. Property was destroyed. Businesses were impacted - but not mega corporations so they don't count. Not a peep. Those "protests" were ok. Not a peep? It was all over media. If you are not going to be honest, why post?
Westside Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: A whole hour?? So, if it lasts longer its much worse, right? Protesters can shutdown a neighborhood for months, trap the people who live and own businesses making it impossible to live. Like they did in Seattle in 2020 and you didn’t say a negative word about it? Tells me all I need to know about you. 1
LeviF Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: So you want to bring on a civil war by doing this. Ok. If, for the sake of argument, you concede every point in my post, what other option do they have? The Prime Minister, whose party obtained less than 1/3rd of the popular vote in their most recent elections, is rapidly consolidating power to his office, seizing assets without due process, and repeatedly doubling down to the point of threatening military action against his own citizens. An apology and a roadmap out of the current mandates, which have no demonstrable public health benefit, would have solved this weeks ago. But, as I said earlier, this regime appears to believe that any defeat, including an apology, may collapse the entire power structure. Do these actions appear to belong to the mindset of an opponent who wants to avoid war? And when your opponent tells you that the only way out of your situation is violence towards him or harm to yourself, which does a rational man choose? These aren't easy questions but they become very simple questions once you start cornering people.
Tiberius Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Westside said: Protesters can shutdown a neighborhood for months, trap the people who live and own businesses making it impossible to live. Like they did in Seattle in 2020 and you didn’t say a negative word about it? Tells me all I need to know about you. Levi understands this, why can't you? These truckers are aiming to disrupt commerce, not engage in protest like BLM 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: If, for the sake of argument, you concede every point in my post, what other option do they have? The Prime Minister, whose party obtained less than 1/3rd of the popular vote in their most recent elections, is rapidly consolidating power to his office, seizing assets without due process, and repeatedly doubling down to the point of threatening military action against his own citizens. An apology and a roadmap out of the current mandates, which have no demonstrable public health benefit, would have solved this weeks ago. But, as I said earlier, this regime appears to believe that any defeat, including an apology, may collapse the entire power structure. Do these actions appear to belong to the mindset of an opponent who wants to avoid war? And when your opponent tells you that the only way out of your situation is violence towards him or harm to yourself, which does a rational man choose? These aren't easy questions but they become very simple questions once you start cornering people. So you feel so oppressed there is no option but war. ok
Niagara Bill Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Well said. Does anyone think that if these very same truck drivers were doing the very same thing but instead had pro-Trudeau signs on their trucks, that the government would deem it an emergency? I think not. Maybe the truckers should adopt their own Let’s Go Brandon slogan. Ok SoCal. Streets where people live and unable to sleep, park their cars, drive to their homes have been held captive for 19 days. Thus is not in a place like the Washingtin monu. The need for the Act is ridiculous, but supported by all political parties, a feat that us impossible in Washington. Yes Trudeau is a wimp, but has fairly treated the protesting citizens, but the time has come to allow other citizens to return to their homes.
LeviF Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you feel so oppressed there is no option but war. ok I don't live in Canada, I'm admittedly talking from the viewpoint of people who I do not share a country with.
Niagara Bill Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, LeviF said: If, for the sake of argument, you concede every point in my post, what other option do they have? The Prime Minister, whose party obtained less than 1/3rd of the popular vote in their most recent elections, is rapidly consolidating power to his office, seizing assets without due process, and repeatedly doubling down to the point of threatening military action against his own citizens. An apology and a roadmap out of the current mandates, which have no demonstrable public health benefit, would have solved this weeks ago. But, as I said earlier, this regime appears to believe that any defeat, including an apology, may collapse the entire power structure. Do these actions appear to belong to the mindset of an opponent who wants to avoid war? And when your opponent tells you that the only way out of your situation is violence towards him or harm to yourself, which does a rational man choose? These aren't easy questions but they become very simple questions once you start cornering people. In my mind, they are trying to avoid cornering
Tiberius Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, LeviF said: I don't live in Canada, I'm admittedly talking from the viewpoint of people who I do not share a country with. How about you here and now? 1
LeviF Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: In my mind, they are trying to avoid cornering Which part of the Enabl-, er, sorry, Emergencies Act, is invoked to "avoid cornering?" Their government refuses to budge on any of the mandates. This is their only stated goal, and Trudeau won't even come to the table. I'm editing hopefully quickly enough that you'll catch all of this because I have to ask: if this (freezing bank accounts, labeling citizens as terrorists) is how Trudeau treats potent, nonviolent, citizen opposition, what does that say about protests in which these things do not occur? 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: How about you here and now? Nah I'm sanguine. New York kind of sucks but America generally rocks, regardless of whatever ridiculous crap comes out of Washington every year. Edited February 17, 2022 by LeviF 1
BillStime Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, LeviF said: Leftists and neolibs/RINOs wringing their hands about "disrupting commerce" don't understand how rule changes can affect them down the road. In 2020 American cities were set on fire, stores looted, dozens of people killed, all supported by local governments, Congress, the fourth estate, and most, if not all, Fortune 500 companies. In 2021 dozens of churches in Canada were subject to arson and other attacks because of a fake news mass grave story. All this while they set to ruining people's lives, selling their economic futures to Bezos et al, with the mandates that the truckers are currently protesting. If you saw all of that and didn't perceive that we have entered a new political age, I'm not sure what I can say that will make you see. You can find, on social media, every day, new videos of people being beaten in the streets, kids being forced to isolate from their friends at school, and massive incidents of theft, all so that the regime elites can get richer and reward their loyal subjects with fake accolades. The truckers aren't demanding massive class shifts, billions of dollars, or the handover of political power. They want the most idiotic regulations a bureaucracy has ever produced to end. So yes, a blockade that impedes the trade of a nation is typically an act of war. That said, I am pro-trucker. No way! You're pro TUCKER Trucker? And it is a real shame your friends had to instigate the peaceful BLM protests... a fact the cult continues to ignore because it doesn't fit the narrative. Trump security chief acknowledges role of white supremacist extremists in U.S. urban violence White supremacist instigated looting at George Floyd protest Black Lives Matter in a haven for white supremacists Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests Extremists Are Sparking Protest Violence. Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter White supremacist admits to firing AK-47 into Minneapolis police station during George Floyd protests Riots, white supremacy, and accelerationism White Supremacists Infiltrated Black Lives Matter Protest to Instigate Riots 1
LeviF Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 Ah yes, the boogeyman White Supremacists, whose most potent terroristic actions in the last twenty years involved majorities of federal agents. Once the FBI can tell us something useful about Stephen Paddock I'll start valuing their input on what I actually had to deal with on the street in 2020.
BillStime Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, LeviF said: Ah yes, the boogeyman White Supremacists, whose most potent terroristic actions in the last twenty years involved majorities of federal agents. Once the FBI can tell us something useful about Stephen Paddock I'll start valuing their input on what I actually had to deal with on the street in 2020. So, there are real boogeymen - like CRT - and then there are facts that Trump and his cult would do anything to further chaos in the USA. Putin loved it.
LeviF Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, BillStime said: So, there are real boogeymen - like CRT - and then there are facts that Trump and his cult would do anything to further chaos in the USA. Putin loved it. Sorry, but I only argue with people I respect. 1
BillStime Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: Sorry, but I only argue with people I respect. Don't you hate when facts get in the way?
Tiberius Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 Sixty-five percent of respondents agreed with the following statement: “The convoy is a small minority of Canadians who are selfishly thinking only about themselves and not the thousands of Canadians who are suffering through delayed surgeries and postponed treatments because of the ongoing pandemic.” ... https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/15/politics/fact-check-canadian-protests-polls-trudeau-support-oppose-truckers-mandates/index.html In a survey conducted by Ipsos from February 8 to 9 on behalf of Global News, 59% of respondents agreed with this statement: “The truck protest is mostly a group of anti-vaxxers and bigots intent on causing mayhem and they should not be allowed to protest.” 1
Westside Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Levi understands this, why can't you? These truckers are aiming to disrupt commerce, not engage in protest like BLM So you feel so oppressed there is no option but war. ok Anyone with more than two brain cells know that the antifa/blm riots were politically motivated. That would explain why you can’t seem to understand.
Tiberius Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Westside said: Anyone with more than two brain cells know that the antifa/blm riots were politically motivated. That would explain why you can’t seem to understand. Yes, but not economically disruptive like these are 1
LeviF Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yes, but not economically disruptive like these are They were not coordinated or planned to be economically disruptive but they absolutely were. On a smaller and more localized scale. 2
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