The 1-10 defense

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

Jam them at the line, Kelce and Hill. Don't allow them into the secondary. Even with a 5 yrd penalty, they burn clock and only have one play left. Then double team both play them over the top with safeties. Make anyone else beat us on that one last play from the 30. They'd need 35-40 yrds to get in FG range.

[bmur66]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Yep

Plus they will have very little time left to call timeout. This is a pass defense only because they had to pass and if for some dumb reason if they do run they are burning a ton of clock and all the guys back would just come up to stop the run like they normally do.

 

 

Ahh. I see

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

Live & learn.  I was thinking just rush 2, or 3 tops.  

 

Certainly, 4 was too many.  You could have put at least ONE guy more shallow than the rest, or helping on Kelce.

 

 

 

Letting Kelce run Scott free off the line is inexcusable.

 

 

[djp14150]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Since we are still upset over this i thought i would discuss how i would have defended the Chiefs in the last 13 seconds.

 

The ONE would be an athletic DE or LB to spy on Mahomes and try to bat down the ball if possible and tackle him if takes off. He would be about 3 yard off the ball and i would use DE Greg Rousseau for this spot.

 

The other TEN guys would be LBs and DBs double covering the 5 offense weapons. One guy would be pressing the Receiver on the line and the other guy 5 yards back and the two would be in man coverage on that one guy. I would have Milano pressing Kelce backed up by a DB.  For Hill if hes in the back field then one bumps him when he come through the line and then the two best cover dbs on him.

 

This would make it very hard for Mahomes to find an open receiver and if he takes off then you have burned a ton clock which is a major goal of this defense along with making it very difficult to complete a pass.

 

in another thread I said you can do a 1-10 and double all the receivers.

 

mahomes knew he’d have to throw the ball in 3 seconds to get the ball to the receiver and he gain 20 and down. 
 

yiu could have 2 close in around the tackles about 2 yds to Thrn jump and dive to block the ball.  You coukd put the teams two tallest, best jumpers on

 

the other 9 are in coverage.  The longer he waits the farther down throws

 

the middle of the 9 around 15 is to pursue mahomes if he scrambles 

 

yiu can have 7 in the 10-20 yard range and then 2 deep safeties   Man cover anyone going deeper than 20 

 

the plan was either

 

1 get 2 20 yd completions and get to the 35 for a FG try or go 1 of 2 then Hail Mary to end zone.

[Big Blitz]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Since we are still upset over this i thought i would discuss how i would have defended the Chiefs in the last 13 seconds.

 

The ONE would be an athletic DE or LB to spy on Mahomes and try to bat down the ball if possible and tackle him if takes off. He would be about 3 yard off the ball and i would use DE Greg Rousseau for this spot.

 

The other TEN guys would be LBs and DBs double covering the 5 offense weapons. One guy would be pressing the Receiver on the line and the other guy 5 yards back and the two would be in man coverage on that one guy. I would have Milano pressing Kelce backed up by a DB.  For Hill if hes in the back field then one bumps him when he come through the line and then the two best cover dbs on him.

 

This would make it very hard for Mahomes to find an open receiver and if he takes off then you have burned a ton clock which is a major goal of this defense along with making it very difficult to complete a pass.

 

 

Yep would have rushed 2 and had 9 DBs or even McKenzie on the field as super deep guy just in case.  Allows at least 6 guys to play up - which I wouldn't have shown until the last second 

[Success]

You know, we're all over McD and Frazier for the lapse w/ 13 seconds left.  But Belichick had basically the same fail in 2018.

 

There were 38 seconds left, but Mahomes went from his own 31 to the New England 20 in 2 plays & 18 seconds. The main difference was the KC only had one timeout in that game.

 

It's probably been talked about already here, but I had forgotten that.  The only difference was the KC lost that OT coin toss. 

 

[BuffaloMatt]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Sure but the coaches clearly screwed up and they know it and is why McDermott wont explain why because he doesn't throw guys under the bus. I dont need to comfort myself with we played a great and its ok. Its not ok and they need to take responsibility, which im sure they did in house, but we won this game and is inexcusable that we lost.

 

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm trying to be more objective. Maybe I'm a little further along the five stages of grieving. 😉

[Buffalo Barbarian]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yep would have rushed 2 and had 9 DBs or even McKenzie on the field as super deep guy just in case.  Allows at least 6 guys to play up - which I wouldn't have shown until the last second 

 

Im not rushing anyone, just making Mahomes kill time looking for WRs.

 

 

[ngbills]

I think go 2-9 just to at least have some rush. Or you fake they are rushing and have them drop back in coverage that strategy could have potentially knocked down the quick Mahomes pass on 1st.

 

The other 9 guys cover the field in thirds. You give up anything less than 10 yds but should at least tackle them quickly. 

 

 

[dma0034]

Rush 1

 

Double every one of their WRs. You put one player (a LB) on press coverage and umbrella the other 5 dbs to prevent against deep passes. Maybe put one safety back to protect against the TD

[Process]

What, you don't like the "voluntarily play with 7 defenders" defense?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, BuffaloMatt said:

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm trying to be more objective. Maybe I'm a little further along the five stages of grieving. 😉

 

Im not greaving been with this team to long for that lol. Im just being pragmatic about the situation and the coaches screwed up and im offering a solution to their mistake.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

I'm treating the final drive the same way I treat a passing down in the first quarter where it usually takes a team 4-6 minutes of game clock to score. When you change your routine from what you've been doing all game (and what you were spending 99% of your practice time on) you're guaranteed to execute less successfully. Treat it like any other play and execute.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

3 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I think go 2-9 just to at least have some rush. Or you fake they are rushing and have them drop back in coverage that strategy could have potentially knocked down the quick Mahomes pass on 1st.

 

The other 9 guys cover the field in thirds. You give up anything less than 10 yds but should at least tackle them quickly. 

 

 

 

i think rushing is too dangerous as it makes it too easy for Mahomes to take off for a big gain, but if he doesnt feel pressured hes going to take awhile to find an open receiver and burning clock is a major priority here.

 

 

[GoBills808]

That would have entailed a bunch of backups playing the most important snaps of the season. I would be very opposed to that.

 

Imo the problem was player execution and not necessarily the playcall. That defense on the Kelce catch looked like 2man but they gave up inside leverage  in trail technique which is wrong. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

i think rushing is too dangerous as it makes it too easy for Mahomes to take off for a big gain, but if he doesnt feel pressured hes going to take awhile to find an open receiver and burning clock is a major priority here.

 

 

He isn't running for too much of a big gain with 13 secs I wouldn't think...

[JohnBonhamRocks]

I said the same thing as OP - why rush anyone?
 

Give Mahomes all the time in the world, play coverage, mug Hill/Kelce, double the other, & keep it in front of you. 
 

Regardless, definitely do not rush four.  

[zow2]

I agree that anything would have been better than what we did. Sure, let Mahomes run around killing clock while he either scrambles or searches for an open guy. You would hope someone could

close in on him within 10 yards or so. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'm treating the final drive the same way I treat a passing down in the first quarter where it usually takes a team 4-6 minutes of game clock to score. When you change your routine from what you've been doing all game (and what you were spending 99% of your practice time on) you're guaranteed to execute less successfully. Treat it like any other play and execute.

 

I hear that but we were getting killed anyway due to exhaustion, we played normal on their last TD drive (not in overtime) and Hill went 64 yards for a TD. This is why they played soft on the last 13, but they needed to play press and then soft behind them which is where the double coverage comes in.

 

I agree doing something new for the first time is a bad idea but this is something that should be a staple in any defense and practiced regularly like they do with other game situations.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

He isn't running for too much of a big gain with 13 secs I wouldn't think...

 

He could run for 20 in 6 seconds easy and still call a time out.

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Since we are still upset over this i thought i would discuss how i would have defended the Chiefs in the last 13 seconds.

 

The ONE would be an athletic DE or LB to spy on Mahomes and try to bat down the ball if possible and tackle him if takes off. He would be about 3 yard off the ball and i would use DE Greg Rousseau for this spot.

 

The other TEN guys would be LBs and DBs double covering the 5 offense weapons. One guy would be pressing the Receiver on the line and the other guy 5 yards back and the two would be in man coverage on that one guy. I would have Milano pressing Kelce backed up by a DB.  For Hill if hes in the back field then one bumps him when he come through the line and then the two best cover dbs on him.

 

This would make it very hard for Mahomes to find an open receiver and if he takes off then you have burned a ton clock which is a major goal of this defense along with making it very difficult to complete a pass.

I agree with everything except I would’ve used Epenesa instead of Rousseau. Epenesa seems more athletic