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[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Let's hope somebody buys whatever Leslie is selling this year, and Bills get those two extra 3rds, that could be a real difference maker in a class like this.  You are right in that Beane has done some solid work in those mid rounds aside from Cody Ford, but pobody's nerfect, and after all he's more than made up for it by landing Spencer Brown.

I was becoming skeptical Frazier would get hired but there are 9 (!!) HC openings. Gotta happen, right?

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, whorlnut said:

Are you serious?  Read his post. We need to make sure Allen has enough weapons and protection that he can sustain this kind of excellence. If you think we need to run it back on offense and blow everything on defense I don’t know what to tell you. Heck, we tried running it back with the same line as last year and look what happened. 

This weird cult of people calling for more offensive firepower after two of the best offensive displays in history are fit for a straight jacket. Of course, if we start the year with only 2 WRs on the roster we will need to get more, but it was not a need this year at all. We could have had Jerry Rice in his prime int he slot and we still lose.

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Or how about this?  A round 1 WR!!!!  It can happen…we really can draft more than defense in the first you know…

 

What in the Sam Hill does my comment about a huge hit in the 4th round have anything to do about this year's 1st round pick?

I won't take the bait so you can continue on with your opinions.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

What in the Sam Hill does my comment about a huge hit in the 4th round have anything to do about this year's 1st round pick?

I won't take the bait so you can continue on with your opinions.

Ok

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

This weird cult of people calling for more offensive firepower after two of the best offensive displays in history are fit for a straight jacket. Of course, if we start the year with only 2 WRs on the roster we will need to get more, but it was not a need this year at all. We could have had Jerry Rice in his prime int he slot and we still lose.

Honestly…there is no reasoning with you if you feel this way.  We are entitled to our opinions. 

[Buddo]

Davis is terrific, and has been pretty much from the get go.

 

Coaches and players all raved about how well he understood the playbook, probably from the start of his first full TC.

 

Davis and Diggs are both plenty quick enough as WRs, and both are really good players.

 

We have no need for another #1 WR atm. 

 

Will we have a need for a #3 or #4 WR? - Possibly.

 

If we have a need for extra speed on Offense, it's in the shape of a RB, preferably with some size, and good hands.

 

We do need more speed on D, but we also need a true disruptive DE. Groot can still develop into that guy, imho, but we do need another.

 

Another #1 WR would be a wasted pick. What we need more is better O-Line play on offense, because with extra time, Josh will find someone open, and he can sling that rock just about anywhere on the football field.

[Doc]

I remember being amazed by Eric Moulds' 9 catch 240 yard 1 TD performance against the Dols in the 1998 playoffs.  This was better.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

This weird cult of people calling for more offensive firepower after two of the best offensive displays in history are fit for a straight jacket. Of course, if we start the year with only 2 WRs on the roster we will need to get more, but it was not a need this year at all. We could have had Jerry Rice in his prime int he slot and we still lose.

You're belligerent and like to mock folks who disagree with you. You've done this before. Josh Allen took a pounding to achieve the Bills' excellence on offense. Mahomes has an easier job because Hill and Kelce are playmakers of superior ability that constantly stress a defense. The Bills do not have that kind of firepower, though they have good players. They need to add someone that can stress a D on offense. That is the argument and it's not foolish, even if you think otherwise. @BADOLBILZ has made the case for spending high end draft picks on offense well. Go search his posts and try to think outside your rage.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, Buddo said:

Davis is terrific, and has been pretty much from the get go.

 

Coaches and players all raved about how well he understood the playbook, probably from the start of his first full TC.

 

Davis and Diggs are both plenty quick enough as WRs, and both are really good players.

 

We have no need for another #1 WR atm. 

 

Will we have a need for a #3 or #4 WR? - Possibly.

 

If we have a need for extra speed on Offense, it's in the shape of a RB, preferably with some size, and good hands.

 

We do need more speed on D, but we also need a true disruptive DE. Groot can still develop into that guy, imho, but we do need another.

 

Another #1 WR would be a wasted pick. What we need more is better O-Line play on offense, because with extra time, Josh will find someone open, and he can sling that rock just about anywhere on the football field.

You’re missing the point like the rest of these guys. The issue is YAC. When was the last time you saw a Bills player run away from the defense and take it to the house?  We do need speedy weapon in the receiving game IMO. It would add a new threat to this offense. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, whorlnut said:

You’re missing the point like the rest of these guys. The issue is YAC. When was the last time you saw a Bills player run away from the defense and take it to the house?  We do need speedy weapon in the receiving game IMO. It would add a new threat to this offense. 

And I like Buddo. One of my favorite posters, but wrong here I think.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was becoming skeptical Frazier would get hired but there are 9 (!!) HC openings. Gotta happen, right?

I mean, if there ever was a time, it's gotta be now... I really think Daboll goes to New Jersey, and Frazier ends up with Da Bears.  

 

Daboll brings Mitch to compete for the starting job.

 

Both coaches remember where they came from and send us Mack and Barkley (who agrees to restructure bc he's not worth that #2 overall $$$).

 

Those two thirds would also make it much easier to deal that late first for an immediate impact veteran like Mack on defense.

[muppy]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

22 years old. More TD catches in a playoff game than any other WR in nfl history. There are like 18 guys tied with 3. And they said he couldn’t run a whole route tree. 4th rd pick. Either Beane or chad hall is a genius, or both. 
 

 

you know what Yolo......Gabe Davis is who we thought we were drafting when they picked Zay Jones. Agree? Disagree?

[whorlnut]

I think this offense is a bit misleading. While I really like Diggs, the other guys are JAGs. Allen is basically the entire offense. That isnt sustainable. To think otherwise is just being foolish and stubborn. We need to upgrade the OL, slot receiver, and RB IMO. 

[Buddo]

Just now, whorlnut said:

You’re missing the point like the rest of these guys. The issue is YAC. When was the last time you saw a Bills player run away from the defense and take it to the house?  We do need speedy weapon in the receiving game IMO. It would add a new threat to this offense. 

 

Pretty sure it was last Sunday when Davis out ran his guy and kept going. So not so long ago really.

 

Fwiw, perhaps you didn't read the whole of my post, where I did mention a RB with speed and good hands being the area on offense where 'speed' is most desirable.

 

Also, I'd rather be sure Allen has time behind a consistent O-Line, because as I explained above, if he gets time, he will find a way to kill you.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

You're belligerent and like to mock folks who disagree with you. You've done this before. Josh Allen took a pounding to achieve the Bills' excellence on offense. Mahomes has an easier job because Hill and Kelce are playmakers of superior ability that constantly stress a defense. The Bills do not have that kind of firepower, though they have good players. They need to add someone that can stress a D on offense. That is the argument and it's not foolish, even if you think otherwise. @BADOLBILZ has made the case for spending high end draft picks on offense well. Go search his posts and try to think outside your rage.

 

They do need to add speed on both sides of the ball. However, IMO, the path to titles in Buffalo runs through Allen and the offense, the same as it does for  KC with Mahomes and their offense. You continue to add more speed and talent at the skill positions around Allen and more talent on the offensive line in front of him.

[whorlnut]

Just now, Buddo said:

 

Pretty sure it was last Sunday when Davis out ran his guy and kept going. So not so long ago really.

 

Fwiw, perhaps you didn't read the whole of my post, where I did mention a RB with speed and good hands being the area on offense where 'speed' is most desirable.

 

Also, I'd rather be sure Allen has time behind a consistent O-Line, because as I explained above, if he gets time, he will find a way to kill you.

I knew someone was gonna bring that up. He didn’t have far to go after the catch to reach the end zone. Not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a dump off or run that goes the distance. Nice try. 
 

That said…yes I did read your post and I mostly agree. We do need an upgrade at RB. Yes, Singletary finished strong, but his limitations are evident. 
 

Finally…I also agree with the OL. I’m ok with the tackles, but go get some dawgs to play guard. Allen can feast when he has time to throw. 

[starrymessenger]

12 minutes ago, muppy said:

you know what Yolo......Gabe Davis is who we thought we were drafting when they picked Zay Jones. Agree? Disagree?

Was Zay really picked ahead of Cooper Kupp or am I just having another nightmare.

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I think this offense is a bit misleading. While I really like Diggs, the other guys are JAGs. Allen is basically the entire offense. That isnt sustainable. To think otherwise is just being foolish and stubborn. We need to upgrade the OL, slot receiver, and RB IMO. 

 

OK now we get to my original point.  I disagree that Gabriel Davis is a JAG.

IMO he is a stud and could in every way be another Diggs (who was selected a round later than Davis).

[Dr. Who]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

OK now we get to my original point.  I disagree that Gabriel Davis is a JAG.

IMO he is a stud and could in every way be another Diggs (who was selected a round later than Davis).

Yeah, Davis is not JAG. I still think adding a player like Jameson Williams an excellent idea.

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Was Zay really picked ahead of Cooper Kupp or am I just having another nightmare.

I honestly dont know I was thinking of bills draft only sorry

[Andy1]

Gabe is developing very nicely. I think we lose 2/3 of Sanders, McKenzie or Beasley. If so, they need to draft receiver. Either a big physical type or speed. Hopefully Stevenson also develops.