Josh Allen is a future HOFer. There I said it...

[Big Turk]

I know it's still early and he has a lot of football left to play, but the dude simply is constantly doing things nobody in the history of the NFL has done before. Perfect offensive games, best 2 game stretch in the history of the NFL Playoffs, numerous firsts in regular season QB play...

 

This dude is a future HOFer.  We are witnessing greatness like we have never seen before at the QB position in Buffalo and likely will never see again. I hope we never take it for granted.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Big Turk

[MJS]

To solidify it he needs to go win a Superbowl, but he certainly has Hall of Fame talent. As a QB, you need championships and/or cumulative stats to get in these days. That means he needs to play at a high level for at least 15 years, or get a couple Superbowl wins.

 

The extra game each season will help with the cumulative stats, though.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

To solidify it he needs to go win a Superbowl, but he certainly has Hall of Fame talent. As a QB, you need championships and/or cumulative stats to get in these days. That means he needs to play at a high level for at least 15 years, or get a couple Superbowl wins.

 

The extra game each season will help with the cumulative stats, though.

 

Rivers is going to make it and he sucked even in the playoffs most years. Not true.

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Rivers is going to make it and he sucked even in the playoffs most years. Not true.

He has the cumulative stats. That's what I'm saying. You need one or the other. He has 63k yards (6th all-time) and 421 TD's (also 6th all-time), plus he is an 8 time pro bowler. He doesn't have the championship, but he has the cumulative stats.

[Big Turk]

Just now, MJS said:

He has the cumulative stats. That's what I'm saying. You need one or the other. He has 63k yards (6th all-time) and 421 TD's (also 6th all-time), plus he is an 8 time pro bowler. He doesn't have the championship, but he has the cumulative stats.

 

You don't think Allen is going to have those type of stats putting up 4500+ yards every year?

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You don't think Allen is going to have those type of stats putting up 4500+ yards every year?

What is it you think I am saying? Did I cast any doubt on Josh Allen at all? Did I say he can't do it? No. I just stated the facts. To get into the hall of fame as a QB, you need stats or championships.

 

Allen has a long road to the hall of fame. He can totally get there, but he is nowhere close yet. The bar is extremely, extremely high for QB's these days. I believe he can do it.

Edited January 25, 2022 by MJS

[BullBuchanan]

 

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

You don't think Allen is going to have those type of stats putting up 4500+ yards every year?

Does Andrew Luck? Tony Romo? Marc Bulger?

***** happens.

[Doc Brown]

Injuries will be the only thing that prevents it.  I suggest running less and keep investing in the o-line.  Barring that, he certainly can get in on stats (Marino, Fouts, Kelly, Tarkenton, Moon, Jurgenson?) or hopefully at least one Super Bowl victory in his career to go along with them.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Doc Brown

[transplantbillsfan]

We know. I believed he was going to be after year 2. Most objective fans could see he probably would after last season.

 

Anyone who can't see that barring a (PLEASE PLEASE GOD NO!!!) godforsaken career ending or debilitating injury at this point he's getting a jacket is stubborn or overcompensating or a hater.

 

I don't care about the Gold Jacket. He's getting it. I want the multiple Super Bowls we're due with him as our QB.

[transplantbillsfan]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Does Andrew Luck? Tony Romo? Marc Bulger?

***** happens.

 

Did you really just compare Josh Allen to Marc Bulger

 

Don't ever, ever do that again.

 

Tony Romo might have eventually gotten in if he had better durability and stayed in the league longer, which Jerry Jones made clear he could.

 

Andrew Luck would be in the HOF if he had the proper FO and nearly the love for Football Allen clearly does. And that's not a controversial statement... it's well documented. Just as it is with Trevor Lawrence.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Did you really just compare Josh Allen to Marc Bulger

 

No, I sure didn't. Take a breath and re-read the post with context.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

No, I sure didn't. Take a breath and re-read the post with context.

 

I did. Sure looks like you are.

 

Just say he might get injured. Why the hell would you compare him to a wildly inferior QB like Bulger?

Edited January 25, 2022 by transplantbillsfan

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I did. Sure looks like you are.

Alright. I'll explain it to you like you're a child. The message here is that injuries can derail careers. Bulger wasn't an all-time elite guy, but his career was derailed by injury before it ever really got going. He had 4 great years of production and after that he was done. If he played 15 at his pace, he would have finished with top 10 numbers. Luck could have been one of the all-time greats but injuries robbed him of that, and Tony Romo while not in that upper most echelon of guys, was easily a match for some guys that are in or will be in the hall like Esiason and Eli.

Allen has a long road in front of him, and if he stays healthy, he'll get there, but he has two years of great production under his belt. It takes a lot more than that to get into the Hall.

Edited January 25, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Alright. I'll explain it to you like you're a child. The message here is that injuries can derail careers. Bulger wasn't an all-time elite guy, but his career was derailed by injury before it ever really got going. He had 4 great years of production and after that he was done. If he played 15 at his pace, he would have finished with top 10 numbers. Luck could have been one of the all-time greats but injuries robbed him of that, and Tony Romo while not in that upper most echelon of guys, was easily a match for some guys that are in or will be in the hall like Esiason and Eli.

Allen has a long road in front of him, and if he stays healthy, he'll get there, but he has two years of great production under his belt. It takes a lot more than that to get into the Hall.

 

It's more than great production. It's that Allen is doing things never seen in the NFL before.

[transplantbillsfan]

24 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Alright. I'll explain it to you like you're a child. The message here is that injuries can derail careers. Bulger wasn't an all-time elite guy, but his career was derailed by injury before it ever really got going. He had 4 great years of production and after that he was done. If he played 15 at his pace, he would have finished with top 10 numbers. Luck could have been one of the all-time greats but injuries robbed him of that, and Tony Romo while not in that upper most echelon of guys, was easily a match for some guys that are in or will be in the hall like Esiason and Eli.

Allen has a long road in front of him, and if he stays healthy, he'll get there, but he has two years of great production under his belt. It takes a lot more than that to get into the Hall.

 

Are you just being obtuse or can you really not see the difference between Josh Allen and Tony Romo or Marc Bulger?

 

The Andrew Luck comparison is relevant, but I think Luck is out of the league because he doesn't love football as much as a HOFer needs to.

 

Injury could derail a career, but for Allen it'd have to be pretty act-of-God kinda stuff. I could see him POSSIBLY tearing an ACL at some point and then coming back even stronger and better... Ala Tom Brady.

[Dr.Sack]

In just 4 seasons he’s well on his way. Assume a 12 year career 2018-2029 and multiply his #s by 3.
 

117 wins 63 losses.

42,342 yards 309 TDs, 138 picks

6,975 rushing 93 rushing touchdowns. 

 

Playoffs would be 12-12 

5,154 yards 42 TDs, 3 picks 

1,113 yards rushing, 3 rushing TDs
 

Those are unique HOF caliber #s. 
 

Even if Allen retires at 33 and puts up 0 titles that’s a HOF career. 

Reality says those rushing totals aren’t sustainable & the passing #s should explode while the rushing becomes more necessity like when Mahomes runs. 

[1ManRaid]

5 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

In just 4 seasons he’s well on his way. Assume a 12 year career 2018-2029 and multiply his #s by 3.
 

117 wins 63 losses.

42,342 yards 309 TDs, 138 picks

6,975 rushing 93 rushing touchdowns. 

 

Playoffs would be 12-12 

5,154 yards 42 TDs, 3 picks 

1,113 yards rushing, 3 rushing TDs
 

Those are unique HOF caliber #s. 
 

Even if Allen retires at 33 and puts up 0 titles that’s a HOF career. 

Reality says those rushing totals aren’t sustainable & the passing #s should explode while the rushing becomes more necessity like when Mahomes runs. 

 

Reality also says it's not fair to multiply his first two development seasons by 3, unless you expect him to regress back to rookie/sophomore form for 50% of his career.  His projected career numbers could be even better if you don't average his project years into it.

[Dr.Sack]

Just now, 1ManRaid said:

 

Reality also says it's not fair to multiply his first two development seasons by 3, unless you expect him to regress back to rookie/sophomore form for 50% of his career.  His projected career numbers could be even better if you don't average his project years into it.

Obviously and we didn’t factor in 17 game seasons, possible injuries, etc. Assume the tail end of his career resembles 2018 / 2019 numbers. He has the talent to play beyond this age, but will need a complimentary dominant running game to alleviate the abuse he dishes out and takes in return. 

[BullBuchanan]

17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you just being obtuse or can you really not see the difference between Josh Allen and Tony Romo or Marc Bulger?

 

The Andrew Luck comparison is relevant, but I think Luck is out of the league because he doesn't love football as much as a HOFer needs to.

 

Injury could derail a career, but for Allen it'd have to be pretty act-of-God kinda stuff. I could see him POSSIBLY tearing an ACL at some point and then coming back even stronger and better... Ala Tom Brady.

I could write it in crayon if that helps. Just because I list players that had hall of fame statistic trajectories before injuries took their toll doesn't mean I think they are the same caliber of player as Allen. They aren't. You can compare similar situations without all things being equal. If Matt Stafford plays another 4 years at the same level he'll beat out Rivers and likely go to the Hall as well.

Edited January 25, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[DRA3196]

If Josh continues to develop I can see him being a HOF player. Going to be fun watching his career unfold. Let's hope he continues to grow.