Brand J Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I’d pick Frazier on account he nets us two 3rd rounders should he become HC. Plus I think his defense is too passive. Edited January 25, 2022 by JayBaller10 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Frazier calls the defense the way McDermott wants it called. Make no mistake about that. They are both in lock step about how they want to play defense. So even if Frazier is gone, McDermott will just bring in someone else to run McDermott’s version of this defense. But I’m in full agreement on let’s get the 2 third round picks for Frazier if he leaves. I’m all for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: I’d pick Frazier on account he nets us two 3rd rounders should he become HC. Plus I think his defense is too passive. I'm hoping if Daboll leaves that it's revealed he's like, 1/16th Cherokee Native American. I THINK that would count... Edited January 25, 2022 by BuffaloBillyG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Billznut said: Frazier calls the defense the way McDermott wants it called. Make no mistake about that. They are both in lock step about how they want to play defense. So even if Frazier is gone, McDermott will just bring in someone else to run McDermott’s version of this defense. But I’m in full agreement on let’s get the 2 third round picks for Frazier if he leaves. I’m all for that. So then the question becomes is McD’s defense too antiquated? If we’re expected to stop the top offenses in the league, should the scheme be changed to something more aggressive and less reliant on a DL that doesn’t often get home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTermBuffalonian Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Not that i have ANY control in the matter, but if I did? Frasier would be gone. Not that i think he is a terrible coach. He did somehow coach one of the top ranked Ds this year. I think he can plan some excellent defensive gameplans. But he doesn't seem to react quickly to the situation, as evidenced by the 13 seconds of doom. Then again - Daboll didn't have Allen picking apart the KC secondary as soon as Mathieu went down either, so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) Funny how last year everyone wanted Daboll to go after the poor offensive performance vs KC. This really is a poor question though, of course everyone will say Frazier. Edited January 25, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Let Leslie go and sign Fangio. Use the 3rd rounder on defense. They'll both struggle as head coaches. Especially if Dabol thinks he can salvage Daniel Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Up until last night, I would have chosen Daboll. But Frazier/McD ***** the bed last night 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 even if Frasier leaves the defense is not changing Sean is still playing the same style and that's fine but we need more talent on defense... and it always starts with a dominating pass rusher....Tre was missed big time when it matter most last night (he's been the best player on the defense since his draft year). we need another guy that can take over in the front seven, until we draft / sign someone the defense is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I'll be glad to see Daboll go, but my answer for this poll is Frazier. Go out and hire a DC who has a plan for stopping the young wave of QBs that are about to wreak havoc on the AFC for the next 15 years. Or anyone who will promise to double team Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce with 13 seconds left in a playoff game. Edited January 25, 2022 by MPT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Funny how last year everyone wanted Daboll to go after the poor offensive performance vs KC. This really is a poor question though, of course everyone will say Frazier. Would you still say Frazier if we didn’t get the draft picks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Leslie can go some of the worst defensive scheming ever last night…I’m on the hire Fangio train 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: So then the question becomes is McD’s defense too antiquated? If we’re expected to stop the top offenses in the league, should the scheme be changed to something more aggressive and less reliant on a DL that doesn’t often get home? 3-4 We're spinning our wheels playing a weak Dline - with potential sure. But outside of Oliver and outside of playing against awful QBs, I don't see the point Especially playing QBs as mobile as they are now I know I get it - teams go multiple. But I think the 3-4 teams that's easy to see. We have 3 useless hands on the ground every play plus Oliver who isn't that great of a pass rusher. And for some reason we had 4 hands on the ground with 13 seconds left last night when it should have been 2 at most. A 3-4 scheme thats an automatic Edited January 25, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Billznut said: Frazier calls the defense the way McDermott wants it called. Make no mistake about that. They are both in lock step about how they want to play defense. So even if Frazier is gone, McDermott will just bring in someone else to run McDermott’s version of this defense. But I’m in full agreement on let’s get the 2 third round picks for Frazier if he leaves. I’m all for that. I disagree……I don’t think McDermott micromanages the defense……I think he allows his coordinaters to call their game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Frazier. I’ll attach a 3rd for someone to take him at this point. His defense is passive and doesn’t show up in the playoffs. (Aside from a wind tunnel Lamar game and subzero Mac Jones). McDermott also needs a new voice in his ear on that side of the ball. What happened last night is unacceptable.. from both the players and coaches. Changes should be made but McDermott doesn’t have it in him to let go of Frazier. I’d be shocked, and actually think he could be the HC we need if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: 3-4 We're spinning our wheels playing a weak Dline - with potential sure. But outside of Oliver and outside of playing against awful QBs, I don't see the point Especially playing QBs as mobile as they are now I know I get it - teams go multiple. But I think the 3-4 teams that's easy to see. We have 3 useless hands on the ground every play plus Oliver who isn't that great of a pass rusher. We don’t have the personnel at all to run a 3-4. We need a stud pass rusher to push this defense over the top, not a total reconstruction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Would you still say Frazier if we didn’t get the draft picks? The choice is Daboll or Frazier. Why would anyone choose to have Daboll leave? That's why I don't like the question. Edited January 25, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: We don’t have the personnel at all to run a 3-4. We need a stud pass rusher to push this defense over the top, not a total reconstruction. That's the problem There is no Elite Pass Rusher store. Finding stud 4-3 DEs is legit harder to find then a QB You want to start doing a serious scheme/personnel e v a l of this team - it starts with below average personnel on the dline running 4 hands on the ground every play that can't get home That mobile QBs like Mahomes have zero issue avoiding. Edited January 25, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, streetkings01 said: We don’t have the personnel at all to run a 3-4. We need a stud pass rusher to push this defense over the top, not a total reconstruction. I don't think 34 defense is even a thing anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Frazier. I’ll attach a 3rd for someone to take him at this point. His defense is passive and doesn’t show up in the playoffs. (Aside from a wind tunnel Lamar game and subzero Mac Jones). McDermott also needs a new voice in his ear on that side of the ball. What happened last night is unacceptable.. from both the players and coaches. Changes should be made but McDermott doesn’t have it in him to let go of Frazier. I’d be shocked, and actually think he could be the HC we need if he does. Someone had made a comment one time about Madden savants being much more savvy when it comes to game management because they’ve played thousands of hours on the game and have encountered hundreds of thousands of scenarios. Here’s an out of the box thought: hire the Madden winner as some sort of gameday consultant. I can almost guarantee if that person was on the sidelines yesterday and McD went up to him and said “what do you like here?” he would’ve suggested the squib but also a defense that rushes 2 and drops everyone else in coverage. It’s a crazy idea, but I think it has legs… if the coach’s ego would allow it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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