McDermott’s defensive timeouts have jumped the shark

[947]

When Fonzie jumped the over the shark on water skis, it was the moment that made it apparent Happy Days had no good stories left to tell and had to resort to something crazy to inject excitement into the show. Same thing when a show adds a kid to the mix after it starts to decline, but that's still "jumping the shark".

[GETTOTHE50]

Ive pointed this out during the Browns game the Bills lost two years ago. McDermott's defensive time-outs put the team out of position for TDs even then.

 

Its a weak point he has not improved on.

[JoshAllin]

The timeouts was just as bad as Staley's earlier which the raiders where looking to run clock out but instead rested the players and made em call a better play

[eSJayDee]

I think the reason for them is that they believe that given adequate time to devise a strategy, they're going to be smarter than whatever the opponents can come up w/ in that time.  Either that, or they don't think they're prepared at all or they're more gassed than the offense & need the rest.  The latter is an indictment on our preparedness & based on biased observation, it seems that the former is just plain wrong.

[Golden]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I've watched the play a bunch of times and I have to believe the DE screwed up. He has to get a piece of Kelce. It's the only thing I can think of.

Yes!  Kelces clean run off the line of scrimmage was mind boggling 

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Not saying you're wrong, but in that situation I might not bother to rush anybody.

 

You make a good point and I thought about that as well. You may very well be right, but my rational was to keep two players on the DL to get their hands into passing lanes.

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, 947 said:

When Fonzie jumped the over the shark on water skis, it was the moment that made it apparent Happy Days had no good stories left to tell and had to resort to something crazy to inject excitement into the show. Same thing when a show adds a kid to the mix after it starts to decline, but that's still "jumping the shark".

 

Correct. And the term has evolved into broader usage as an idiom that describes anything that is no longer interesting, useful, as designed, or smart. In other words, something that is on the decline.

 

I realize that this is the internet and therefore everyone wants to argue semantics, but this is a bit ridiculous.

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

@Einsteinalignment and coverage are two totally different things. Before the timeout the Bills showed a 0 Blitz - came out of the timeout playing Cover 2.

 

No they didn’t.

 

Here is before and after the timout. They never showed 0 blitz.

 

They showed the exact same alignment on both plays, and on both plays Poyer moved back into Cover 2 post snap.

 

Before Timeout

 

After Timeout

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Einstein

[0017]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Rush 3 and tell 4 of your remaining 8 dbs to double both Hill and Kelce. This isn't rocket science.  Sean is not very bright. Not popping up the kickoff cost us the game and that's 100% on Clappy.  You watch Leslie staring aimlessly into the abyss, it's comical. 

They did rush 3! They had Addison at the line and he literally did nothing just stood there and watched!! I’m talking about the play to kelce to get them in FG range. Absolutely terrible! I really don’t understand what they were doing! 

[HoofHearted]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

No they didn’t.

 

Here is before and after the timout. They never showed 0 blitz.

 

They showed the exact same alignment on both plays, and on both plays Poyer moved back into Cover 2 post snap.

 

Before Timeout

 

After Timeout

 

Must have been the one earlier that they called the timeout on then. It's still not the same alignments though. Addison is flipped and I'm curious as to why.

Edited January 24, 2022 by HoofHearted

[Einstein]

On 1/24/2022 at 3:06 PM, Einstein said:

I need to do some homework to determine whether my gut matches actual statistical output (reality), but it certainly feels that McDermott’s defensive timeouts often precede a successful play by the opposing offense.

 

To that point, Mahomes’ admitted that the Bills defensive timeout gave the Chiefs time to talk about changing Kelce’s route to take advantage of the defense:

 

“The play to Travis, he wasn’t necessarily supposed to do that, but after the timeout we got a look at what the defense was doing, and he said it to me, ‘If they do it again, I’m going to take it up the middle between both the guys guarding me,'” - Patrick Mahomes

 

1) My hypothesis is that defensive timeouts in key situations are not helping the team.

 

2) Why would you take a defensive timeout only to roll out in the same coverage?

 

2 years later and this thread holds true.

 

1) McDermott/Babich goes into play-not-to-loss defense and allows 2 easy receptions to allow the Jets to get into hail-mary range.

 

2) The Jets have no timeouts, so McDermott, for the millionth time, bails the offense out by calling a timeout for them. Apparently he hasn’t learned that calling timeout doesn’t just give us time to get a play together - it also gives the opponent time.

 

3) They rush no-one, giving the entire Jets offense time to run 50+ yards downfield.

 

LITERALLY every coaching decision they made that drive was wrong.

It was like a no-hitter of bad coaching. 

[ngbills]

Is there a worse situational coach in the league? Seriously, has anyone given up more nonsense less than 1% success rate crap? 

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

2 years later and this thread holds true.

 

1) McDermott/Babich goes into play-not-to-loss defense and allows 2 easy receptions to allow the Jets to get into hail-mary range.

 

2) The Jets have no timeouts, so McDermott, for the millionth time, bails the offense out by calling a timeout for them. Apparently he hasn’t learned that calling timeout doesn’t just give us time to get a play together - it also gives the opponent time.

 

3) They rush no-one, giving the entire Jets offense time to run 50+ yards downfield.

 

LITERALLY every coaching decision they made that drive was wrong.

It was like a no-hitter of bad coaching. 

Horrible and indefensible 

[Buffalo Boy]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

Horrible and indefensible 

And yet, tomorrow, it will be defended on this here board😉

[Saint Doug]

I personally think Beane set him up this year to fail (“transition” year) to make a case for Terry. Instead, McD is falling on his own sword. Make way for Hoodie or Ben Johnson. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Is there a worse situational coach in the league? Seriously, has anyone given up more nonsense less than 1% success rate crap? 

Horrible and indefensible 

 

I honestly don’t know, but he really isn’t good at it.

 

He has his plusses, but game strategy is not one of them.

[colin]

This is a majestic necro thread resurrection.

 

McDermott is an idiot, I think that case has been well made

[Kincaid Kool-Aid]

14 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

2 years later and this thread holds true.

 

1) McDermott/Babich goes into play-not-to-loss defense and allows 2 easy receptions to allow the Jets to get into hail-mary range.

 

2) The Jets have no timeouts, so McDermott, for the millionth time, bails the offense out by calling a timeout for them. Apparently he hasn’t learned that calling timeout doesn’t just give us time to get a play together - it also gives the opponent time.

 

3) They rush no-one, giving the entire Jets offense time to run 50+ yards downfield.

 

LITERALLY every coaching decision they made that drive was wrong.

It was like a no-hitter of bad coaching. 

Exactly. McD will NEVER learn if he hasn't by now. Unbelievable. Solid coach who turned us into a competitive team, but after all this time, it's clear he's playoff caliber but not championship caliber, and probably never will be. As many have said, we need a HC who understands offense, and can provide Josh stability for years to come even if OCs leave much like the Chiefs have given Mahomes. Not much point in a defensive head coach whose defenses rarely show up when it counts in big moments, including giving up 3 and long regularly, not understanding how to defend screens and almost always getting burned by hail marys everyone in the building knows are coming. Rushing two at the end of the half last night was case in point, and we needed a timeout to draw up that brilliant strategy.

[DrDawkinstein]

On 1/24/2022 at 3:06 PM, Einstein said:

I need to do some homework to determine whether my gut matches actual statistical output (reality), but it certainly feels that McDermott’s defensive timeouts often precede a successful play by the opposing offense.

 

To that point, Mahomes’ admitted that the Bills defensive timeout gave the Chiefs time to talk about changing Kelce’s route to take advantage of the defense:

 

“The play to Travis, he wasn’t necessarily supposed to do that, but after the timeout we got a look at what the defense was doing, and he said it to me, ‘If they do it again, I’m going to take it up the middle between both the guys guarding me,'” - Patrick Mahomes

 

1) My hypothesis is that defensive timeouts in key situations are not helping the team.

 

2) Why would you take a defensive timeout only to roll out in the same coverage?

 

Here's another example off the top of my head.

 

After 13 seconds, the very next time we played the Chiefs week 6 of the next season.

 

We score a TD with 16 seconds left in the half. Bills fans everywhere joke to their friends "no way we do this again". Surely, McD learned a lesson.

 

We kick them the ball, and McDermott immediately takes a defensive Time Out. And then we proceed to give up a 20 yd reception AND let them get out of bounds. And kick a FG before the half.

 

CLASSIC MCDERMOTT

 

 

[Big Turk]

It's easy to say that but there are plenty of times where they do work out but nobody actually talks about those because it doesn't fit the narrative they want to project.

Edited October 15 by Big Turk

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Here's another example off the top of my head.

 

After 13 seconds, the very next time we played the Chiefs week 6 of the next season.

 

We score a TD with 16 seconds left in the half. Bills fans everywhere joke to their friends "no way we do this again". Surely, McD learned a lesson.

 

We kick them the ball, and McDermott immediately takes a defensive Time Out. And then we proceed to give up a 20 yd reception AND let them get out of bounds. And kick a FG before the half.

 

CLASSIC MCDERMOTT

 

 

 

I just don’t understand how he hasn’t learned yet.

 

Taking a timeout ALSO GIFTS YOUR OPPONENT A TIMEOUR.