Leslie Frazier / Brian Daboll - If they go, who would you want as their replacement(s)?

[SoMAn]

Somebody, anybody- as long as they come from the Carolina Panthers. 
 

 

[BillsFanSD]

5 minutes ago, Repulsif said:

I want

McDaniels as OC

McVay as def coach

Belichick as coach (yes the hoodie)

 

You didn't asked for a realistic one

I'll take Belichick as our gameday logistical coordinator and strategy consultant i.e. the guy who figures out how to cheat.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I really thought the cardinals DB coach Greg Williams did a heck of a job with what he had to work with and will be getting promoted by someone to DC, I'd take a look at him or NE LB Coach Jerrod Mayo has done a heck of a job with that crew plus working under "The Hoody" I'm sure he's picked up some things for sure. As far as OC I think Ken Dorsey would be the smart choice, definitely should get a promotion.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Ok, but what do you think was discussed during the TO?

I bet you that McDermott would not have wanted a wide open down the middle free release on Kelce and that I bet there was a screw up with guarding against the sideline but he’s not the guy to throw someone under the bus. So I doubt he will ever admit it.

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Ok, but what do you think was discussed during the TO?

Places to eat in downtown KC is my guess.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

(1) It was 552 yards that included OT (477 yds in 10 drives in regulation to 422 yds in 9 drives for the Bills) and (2) over their last 8 games, the Chiefs averaged 44 yards per drive and 3.7 points per drive and were pretty much the same last night at 50 yards per drive and 3.8 points per drive. The Bills were actually pretty much the same at 47 yards per drive and 4 points per drive. 

 

The 2 best QBs in the NFL playing their best football in that 4th quarter - maybe the best I have ever seen in a playoff game.

 

I'm not ready to over to overreact

 

What the hell's your point? The defense was acceptable last night and nothing could be done. I guarantee that McD will see things were unacceptable and make changes. If that's an overreaction I'm in favor.

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I bet you that McDermott would not have wanted a wide open down the middle free release on Kelce and that I bet there was a screw up with guarding against the sideline but he’s not the guy to throw someone under the bus. So I doubt he will ever admit it.

Frazier did the same exact thing in Minnesota . Great stats throughout the season, then totally folded in the playoffs. I don’t know why we hired him in the first place. We won’t ever win a SB with him. 

[Behindenemylines]

4 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

If Beane and McDermott don't realize a wholesale change in defensive philosophy in the offseason then maybe they don't deserve to be here long term.

 

And with guys like Martindale, Fangio, etc available the time is now to move on from Frazier whether he gets a HC gig or not.

Frazier has to go either way. Full stop   

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 hours ago, BigdaddyinOrlando said:

Fangio for the D

Dorsey for the O

 

My thoughts exactly, dont know much about Dorsey but the teams seems to think highly of him and as long as Allen  is here any OC will look good.

 

Fangio is a great DC and is much better in that roll than HC, he is very creative with blitzes and coverages.

 

 

[GymShorts84]

Eric Washington will be the next DC. He knows the system and has the experience. Hopefully he’s bring some minor tweaks to get some pass rush. Last night was brutal, but the system is effective…..overall. 
 

For OC, I’d assume if it’s not Dorsey, he goes with Daboll as his OC. I want an aggressive play caller. For the sake of this thread, I’ll say Matt Nagy. Some guys are better coordinators than head coaches. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, GymShorts84 said:

Eric Washington will be the next DC. He knows the system and has the experience. Hopefully he’s bring some minor tweaks to get some pass rush. Last night was brutal, but the system is effective…..overall. 
 

For OC, I’d assume if it’s not Dorsey, he goes with Daboll as his OC. I want an aggressive play caller. For the sake of this thread, I’ll say Matt Nagy. Some guys are better coordinators than head coaches. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Fangio runs a very different scheme. 

 

 We could use a different scheme, something a little more aggressive

 

 

6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Mike Zimmer makes a lot of sense. 

 

Fangio is a 3-4 guy. A lot of what they do is 4-3 under type stuff, but not sure it meshes with McDermott. 

 

Brian Flores would be awesome.

 

Patrick Graham, who is a Belicheat/Flores disciple would be an interesting fit as well. 

 

Bring back Jim Schwartz. 

 

Or call me crazy, but is there anyone on the planet who knows what McDermott wants to do defensively more than Luke Kuechly? Dude is brilliant and knows exactly what coach wants. Everyone else is hiring young guys without experience, why not us? 

 

All that said, if Frazier gets another job is or is let go (which I think is highly unlikely) I think they just promote their DBs coach John Butler. 

 

loved Schwartz and what he did here, we had a ton of sacks and could stop the run.

 

 

6 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Justin Zimmer? 
 

😁

 

he gets come back player of the year.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

 We could use a different scheme, something a little more aggressive

 

 

 

loved Schwartz and what he did here, we had a ton of sacks and could stop the run.

 

 

Different schemes normally mean different players that fit the scheme.  With what's invested at this point it would be extremely foolish (bordering on a fireable offense) to push the rest button now.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Different schemes normally mean different players that fit the scheme.  With what's invested at this point it would be extremely foolish (bordering on a fireable offense) to push the rest button now.

 

No one really runs the 34 any more so i dont think it would be that big of a de as it used to be.

 

 

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

After last night, i can't imagine Frazier being introduced at some teams press conference as their new head coach.  Not after last night.  Disgraceful ending.

 

Eh, give it time someone will polish him right up.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Just Frazier

 

why just Frazier ?

 

 

James J. Schwartz (born June 2, 1966) is an American football coach who is a senior defensive assistant for the Tennessee Titans of the National Football League (NFL). He was head coach of the Detroit Lions of the National Football League (NFL) from 2009 to 2013. He was also defensive coordinator for the Titans from 2001 to 2008, Buffalo Bills in 2014, and Philadelphia Eagles from 2016 to 2020. He won Super Bowl LII with the Eagles in 2017.

Jim Schwartz

Schwartz in 2012

Tennessee Titans

Position:Senior defensive assistant

Personal information

Born:June 2, 1966 (age 55)
Halethorpe, Maryland

Career information

High school:Mount Saint Joseph
(Baltimore, Maryland)

College:Georgetown

Career history

As a coach:

Maryland (1989)
Graduate assistant, linebackers

Minnesota (1990)
Graduate assistant

North Carolina Central (1991)
Secondary coach

Colgate (1992)
Linebackers coach

Cleveland Browns (1993–1995)
Personnel scout

Baltimore Ravens (1996–1998)
Outside linebackers coach

Tennessee Titans (1999)
Defensive assistant

Tennessee Titans (2000)
Linebackers coach

Tennessee Titans (2001–2008)
Defensive coordinator

Detroit Lions (2009–2013)
Head coach

Buffalo Bills (2014)
Defensive coordinator

Philadelphia Eagles (2016–2020)
Defensive coordinator

Tennessee Titans (2021–present)
Senior defensive assistant

Career highlights and awards

Super Bowl champion (LII)

Head coaching record

Regular season:29–51 (.363)

Postseason:0–1 (.000)

Career:29–52 (.358)

Coaching stats at PFR

As a defensive-minded coach that emphasized strong defensive line play, Schwartz was known to build his units around a dominant interior lineman. Each of his stints as head coach or defensive coordinator resulted in at least one of his defensive tackles being named to the All-Pro First Team and Pro Bowl: Albert Haynesworth in Tennessee, Ndamukong Suh in Detroit, Marcell Dareus and Kyle Williams in Buffalo and Fletcher Cox in Philadelphia.[1]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Schwartz

 

I think with his emphasis on strong line play he could fit in here.

 

 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

why just Frazier ?

 

 

James J. Schwartz (born June 2, 1966) is an American football coach who is a senior defensive assistant for the Tennessee Titans of the National Football League (NFL). He was head coach of the Detroit Lions of the National Football League (NFL) from 2009 to 2013. He was also defensive coordinator for the Titans from 2001 to 2008, Buffalo Bills in 2014, and Philadelphia Eagles from 2016 to 2020. He won Super Bowl LII with the Eagles in 2017.

Jim Schwartz

Schwartz in 2012

Tennessee Titans

Position:Senior defensive assistant

Personal information

Born:June 2, 1966 (age 55)
Halethorpe, Maryland

Career information

High school:Mount Saint Joseph
(Baltimore, Maryland)

College:Georgetown

Career history

As a coach:

Maryland (1989)
Graduate assistant, linebackers

Minnesota (1990)
Graduate assistant

North Carolina Central (1991)
Secondary coach

Colgate (1992)
Linebackers coach

Cleveland Browns (1993–1995)
Personnel scout

Baltimore Ravens (1996–1998)
Outside linebackers coach

Tennessee Titans (1999)
Defensive assistant

Tennessee Titans (2000)
Linebackers coach

Tennessee Titans (2001–2008)
Defensive coordinator

Detroit Lions (2009–2013)
Head coach

Buffalo Bills (2014)
Defensive coordinator

Philadelphia Eagles (2016–2020)
Defensive coordinator

Tennessee Titans (2021–present)
Senior defensive assistant

Career highlights and awards

Super Bowl champion (LII)

Head coaching record

Regular season:29–51 (.363)

Postseason:0–1 (.000)

Career:29–52 (.358)

Coaching stats at PFR

As a defensive-minded coach that emphasized strong defensive line play, Schwartz was known to build his units around a dominant interior lineman. Each of his stints as head coach or defensive coordinator resulted in at least one of his defensive tackles being named to the All-Pro First Team and Pro Bowl: Albert Haynesworth in Tennessee, Ndamukong Suh in Detroit, Marcell Dareus and Kyle Williams in Buffalo and Fletcher Cox in Philadelphia.[1]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Schwartz

 

I think with his emphasis on strong line play he could fit in here.

 

 

No. No.

 

Jim Schwartz needs HORSES up front. He is a GREAT DC when he has a great DL. We don’t have that.

[BuffaloBillyG]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

No one really runs the 34 any more so i dont think it would be that big of a de as it used to be.

 

 

 

Eh, give it time someone will polish him right up.

 

 

Right. Well except for the Green Bay Packers, Los Angeles Rams, Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, New York Giants, New York Jets, Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Denver Broncos, Tennessee Titans, Houston Texans, Chicago Bears, and Arizona Cardinals. So 14 of 32 teams...nearly half run the 3-4 or a variant.

[BaaadThingsMan]

Does Luke Kuechly wanna coach? 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

It also has to be a scheme fit. Love Jimmy but I’m not sure he can teach the McDefense. A promote from within might make the most sense.

 

Something to consider with Frazier, things weren’t peaches and cream until last night. Sean has had to pull DC play calling and power from Frazier several times over the years to get things back on track. The defense underperformed significantly last year and looked average vs experienced QBs this year. 

 

Do you think we will move on from Frazier even if he doesn't get a HC job ?

1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Right. Well except for the Green Bay Packers, Los Angeles Rams, Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, New York Giants, New York Jets, Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Denver Broncos, Tennessee Titans, Houston Texans, Chicago Bears, and Arizona Cardinals. So 14 of 32 teams...nearly half run the 3-4 or a variant.

 

Yeah but its not the old 34 with huge front 7 players and outside linebackers basically as DEs

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Do you think we will move on from Frazier even if he doesn't get a HC job ?

 

Yeah but its not the old 34 with huge front 7 players and outside linebackers basically as DEs

 

 

Yea, most actually still do.