Leslie Frazier / Brian Daboll - If they go, who would you want as their replacement(s)?

[Greg S]

Daboll getting a 2nd interview with the Giants today.

 

 

(17) Tom Pelissero on Twitter: "The #Giants plan to interview #Bills OC Brian Daboll a second time for their head coaching job today, per source. Daboll is the first known finalist for New York, which is also interviewing #Cowboys DC Dan Quinn today. Heating up." / Twitter

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I really hope McD gives serious thoughts to his defensive philosophy this off season.  We can be more aggressive given we have a QB and offense that can score.  

 

I am not sure I agree. They can tweak stuff, they do every year, but I don't agree with ripping up their philosophy. I don't know who the example of "aggressive" style defenses that are excelling in the league are? Maybe Tampa qualify.... Arizona.... but neither of them had great years defensively. 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Jester said:

I feel like we need a NASTY D and we don't really get that with Mr. Nice Guy Frazier.  Not sure what happened last night but they didn't seem like the #1.  And Daboll has some head scratching play calling during games. 

 

We don't need a nasty D.

 

We need an effective D.

 

Good, effective, efficient ... that's what we need. We already are that, but need to get more so, though might well be that if Tre White had played we'd have won. No way to know.  

 

How you get to good, efficient and effective doesn't really matter. Fast, tough, smart ... generally a mix of all of them.

 

And KC's offense didn't out-tough our D. They outran us. And they got the ball last. If we had got the ball last, we'd have won. Did our offense succeed because KC's defense sucked? Or does having one of the top two QBs in the league with good players around them in a good scheme make it hard to impossible to stop your offense when you're playing well?

 

Goddamn, though.

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Wayne Arnold]

Frazier isn't going anywhere. I could see him getting fired midway through the 2022 season, however.

 

I'd give Dorsey the keys to this offense before bringing in someone outside. Don't want to change scheme.

[Mr. WEO]

36 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

For Frazier, I think a tackling dummy would be an adequate replacement. 

 

2 finalists:

 

[MrEpsYtown]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I really hope McD gives serious thoughts to his defensive philosophy this off season.  We can be more aggressive given we have a QB and offense that can score.  

 

You know what I find frustrating? McDermott was a disciple of the late Jim Johnson. Coach Johnson's defense was very aggressive and punched you in the mouth, sometimes to a fault. I think Coach needs to go back and look at some of that stuff and try to marry some of those zone blitz concepts. Steve Spagnola is a branch off the same tree, and what you see from him is a bit more Johnson and the attacking mentality. We need some of that back. 

[schoolhouserock]

8 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

You know what I find frustrating? McDermott was a disciple of the late Jim Johnson. Coach Johnson's defense was very aggressive and punched you in the mouth, sometimes to a fault. I think Coach needs to go back and look at some of that stuff and try to marry some of those zone blitz concepts. Steve Spagnola is a branch off the same tree, and what you see from him is a bit more Johnson and the attacking mentality. We need some of that back. 

This mirrors my own thoughts. If Frazier moves on, I would hope for McD to look for someone that’s going to be more aggressive with blitzing the QB. It is an obvious missing piece given McD’s coaching heritage.

 

Not sure such a change would help against KC since Mahomes does a great job against the blitz, but it would help against many other teams. It would probably be more fun to watch as well.

[Greatdane21]

Ken Dorsey or wr coach Hall for OC

defense coord- if Frazier leaves( which I’m not so sure after the KC game ) 

im thinking they may go outside the current staff and bring in someone 

McDermott worked with before.

[Marv's Neighbor]

1 hour ago, Jester said:

I feel like we need a NASTY D and we don't really get that with Mr. Nice Guy Frazier.  Not sure what happened last night but they didn't seem like the #1.  And Daboll has some head scratching play calling during games. 

Our #1 was #2!!

[B-Large]

Vic Fangio and make the Broncos an offer for Surtain… no way that happens, but that kid is gonna be crazy good… dreaming… 

[Awwufelloff]

Do we get compensatory picks for Daboll and Frazier if they get hired?

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Do we get compensatory picks for Daboll and Frazier if they get hired?

Just Frazier

[Boatdrinks]

Ken Dorsey on offense. You have to keep the scheme intact. As for defense whoever McD chooses is fine. I hate how he chose to defend with 13 seconds left but I’ll still trust his overall defensive prowess and the rankings speak for themselves . 

[colin]

i want to keep the core or our O the same, but change up play calling/themes in what we do on game day.  

 

on D, we have schematic and construction issues.  i think we try to limit everything just enough and rely on guys rallying to the ball, outstanding coverage, and pass rush in waves to get it done.  a failure in any of those and it falls down.  while we put up great stats this year and 2 years ago, it isn't enough to stop modern top flight Os.  we need to be able to pressure off the edge to get anything done.  sitting back and hoping for mistakes and turnovers isn't getting it done.

 

i think we need to basically take resources out of depth and breadth and put them into a couple play makers, on o and D.  speed on O and a real pass rusher and we got a stew cookin.

[Steptide]

I just can't see a team hiring Frazier after that showing last night. I mean you couldn't stop a team with 13 seconds left in the game 

[UKBillFan]

A tub of lard? Going off yesterday, it'd have as much impact as Frazier!

Edited January 24, 2022 by UKBillFan

[MrEpsYtown]

Oh defensive name I totally forgot about is Steve Wilks, who is coaching in college right now.  

 

Another interesting defensive guy off that McDermott tree is Sam Mills III, who is WFT's D line coach, who I think is an interesting guy going forward. 

[Bangarang]

58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not sure I agree. They can tweak stuff, they do every year, but I don't agree with ripping up their philosophy. I don't know who the example of "aggressive" style defenses that are excelling in the league are? Maybe Tampa qualify.... Arizona.... but neither of them had great years defensively. 

People are upset and want change for the sake of change.
 

There’s really only so much you can do when you have a guy like Tyreek Hill going up against Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

Dorsey the popular choice, why. When has he proven he can design an offense and call a game?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I can still see Frazier getting a job in Chicago or Oakland.