Mitch Morse ready to retire?

[FilthyBeast]

I wouldn't be surprised by this. He just had another child born and his family still lives in KC area.

 

Also have to factor in his concussion history too.

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

 

A player like Fournette?  LMAO!!

 

 

In the regular season:

Fournette 180 carries for 812 yards a 4.5 average - a long of 47 yards, 5 carries for 20 or more yards - 8 TDs - 45 1st downs - 2.5 yards after contact

Singletary 188 carries for 870 yards a 4.6 average - a long of 46 yards, 6 carries for 20 or more yards - 7 TDs - 44 1st down - 2.4 yards after contact

 

In the post season:

Fournette 13 carries for 51 yards a 3.9 average - a long of 11 yards - 2 TDs - 5 1st downs

Singletary 26 carries for 107 yards a 4.1 average - a long of 16 yards - 3 TDs - 11 1st downs

 

So you want a guy that is basically the same guy?  Ummm, ok.

 

I'm not proposing FOurnette as an every down back.  He's a  bruiser who does his best work in short yardage situations.  He's less fluid than Singletary but stronger.  He's like OJ Anderson - gets 3 yards if you need 1 or 5

 

[Nextmanup]

6 hours ago, purple haze said:

Turnover on rosters every year.  Players know that.   Don’t read too much into it.  

I agree with you generally, but I do believe Morse is gone almost certainly.

 

I hope so--he's terrible.

 

 

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

I wouldn't be surprised by this. He just had another child born and his family still lives in KC area.

 

Also have to factor in his concussion history too.

It will probably be mutual--not sure we want him back and not sure he wants to continue.

 

I expect our OL to be substantially changed by next season.

 

 

[Logic]

I think this is total speculation and that he was most likely just referring to regular roster turnover, coaches moving on, etc.

 

[AuntieEm]

6 hours ago, ToBillsFan said:

He said something that I found interesting in his post game presser. He said specifically that they won’t be back as the same unit again. Now he could have been talking about free agents not returning or new free agents/draft picks coming in but something tells me he will retire. The way he was acknowledging all the KC players and fans as is another tell. He didn’t do that after the loss last year. Then there is always the concussion topic which we know he has experienced.

 

thoughts?

 

   Very well may decide he rather walk away now and not risk further concussions.  He's already at higher risk of developing the medical issues from concussions later in life.  Who knows how many symptoms he exhibited when he's been recovering from concussions he's had.  I rather a player err on side of caution when it pertains to their long term health.  Having just welcomed his new son he may have priority to his family then the game of football.  Wish him the best if that's what he decides.  And at least if that is his decision the Bills have been made aware early enough to have all avenues to replace him.  FA or draft if they feel good their on some prospects.

[billieve420]

I think Mitch has been decent but we could probably use an upgrade at Center. Need to figure out if Bates is better at there or if he should remain at Guard. Really like Tyler Linderbaum C from Iowa coming out this year but probably won't have a shot at him. Thinking he goes in the top 20. Upgrading the interior so we can move on from Williams would be ideal. I am fine with Brown and Dawkins at the T position. Although I would like to see Brown take some reps at LT in the offseason and Dawkins at G.

[Nuncha]

I think Mitch will be back, but you never know.  He played lights out the last quarter of the season.

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, purple haze said:

Turnover on rosters every year.  Players know that.   Don’t read too much into it.  

 

This.  What is with all the sleuths on here today trying to read something into every comment or action by a player to determine their future?  I don't think anyone knows anything right now other than that rosters have churn 100% of the time no matter what.  The only thing we know is that these players love one another and playing together...and they know not all of them will be back...but doesn't mean they know who or that they themselves are not planning to be back.  

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

I agree with you generally, but I do believe Morse is gone almost certainly.

 

I hope so--he's terrible.

 

 

It will probably be mutual--not sure we want him back and not sure he wants to continue.

 

I expect our OL to be substantially changed by next season.

 

 

 

Morse played well down the stretch but still think we need to look at serious upgrades for entire interior oline. Not sure I believe in Bates long term either.

 

Find our own version of Creed Humphrey this year.

[uninja]

I tend to not listen too much to what players tend to say after coming up short in big moments like this. It's very emotionally charged, there's a lot of feelings. They're not thinking rationally and that moment is definitely not the time to make any potentially life changing decisions.

 

That being said, I think he was just talking about how each team/locker room is different year to year.

[filthymcnasty08]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Morse played well down the stretch but still think we need to look at serious upgrades for entire interior oline. Not sure I believe in Bates long term either.

 

Find our own version of Creed Humphrey this year.

Linderbaum

[TPS]

4 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

 

I fully he was referring to the fact rosters always change from one season to the next.   When it comes to the Bills they only have about $9 million in cap space band the following are going to Unrestricted Free Agents:

Jerry Hughes

Mario Addison

Vernon Butler

Emmanuel Sanders

Mitch Trubisky

Ike Boettger

Levi Wallace

Twain Jones

Efe Obada

Isaiah McKenzie

Matt Breida

Harrison Phillips

Justin Zimmer

Siran Neal

 

With only $9 million to spend they can't keep all of them - if the wanted to - plus they are going to need roughly $9.5 million for the rookie draft pool.

 

Oh and Ryan Bates is going to be a RFA.  I don't see them giving him a 1st round tender but if they put a 2nd tender on him he's get a contract worth the greater of $3.384 million or 110% of prior-year base salary.  Seeing he made $850,000 this past season that would mean he'd get the $3.384 million.  They won't put an original round tender on him because he was a UDFA.   If they put Right-of-first-refusal tender on him he'd be offered a 1 year contract worth $2.133 million and the Bills would have the ability to match any offer from a another team.

 

If they released Morse they would save $8.5 million and have $2.75 in dead cap money but them who moves to center?  If they release Beasley they would save $6.1 million against the cap and have $1.5 in dead cap.   If the let Klein go hey save nearly $5.2 million and have a 400k dead cap hit. Ford would save them 1.52 million and count as $870 in dead cap space.  Matakevich would save them $2.5 million and cost a hit of 750K.  Releasing Feliciano would save $3.4 million and leave a dead cap hit of $1.5 million

 

They are going to be changes.  Players released.  Some contracts reworked.  All of the UFAs won't be back.  The unit won't be the same.

The highlighted is not true.  The cap is based on the top 51 salaries until the season starts, so the R1 pick and maybe R2 will count ($2.5 mil?).

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

9 hours ago, ToBillsFan said:

He said something that I found interesting in his post game presser. He said specifically that they won’t be back as the same unit again. Now he could have been talking about free agents not returning or new free agents/draft picks coming in but something tells me he will retire. The way he was acknowledging all the KC players and fans as is another tell. He didn’t do that after the loss last year. Then there is always the concussion topic which we know he has experienced.

 

thoughts?

 

I'm completely guessing more along the lines that Daboll is going to get a HC gig, Frazier will most likely be gone, free agency, draft picks etc. imo but with all the concussions he's had you could be right also.

[FlaFitz1]

56 minutes ago, TPS said:

The highlighted is not true.  The cap is based on the top 51 salaries until the season starts, so the R1 pick and maybe R2 will count ($2.5 mil?).

 

 

That's what Over the Cap projects based upon where they are selecting, last year's numbers and expected increase this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/draft/

[HurlyBurly51]

9 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I think there have been some rumblings about Morse retiring. Some dude talked to his uncle in an airport and he implied he wasn’t returning (can’t remember which thread, take with a grain of salt). I think he also takes care of his disabled brother in KC, which he might want to spend more time doing.

That's the thread that immediately came to mind.  Think he's gone.

[TPS]

39 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

 

That's what Over the Cap projects based upon where they are selecting, last year's numbers and expected increase this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/draft/

Yes, the total rookie pool is correct, but the salaries that determine the Bill's cap during the offseason include only the top 51.  Only the top 2 draft picks will impact their cap by the time they sign them, and even then you drop 2 other salaries off the 51, so the net impact will probably be a little over $2 million.

[BullBuchanan]

9 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

I think he spent some time hogging Reid after the game too.   

I'm literally in tears. 😂

[HomeTeam]

I hope he comes back. I thought he had an outstanding year.

 

His press conference last night was really telling of his leadership qualities he brings to this team. I don't get to hear him often, but I was impressed.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

18 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    We need to get a couple road graders on the Oline with the center possibly being one of them.

    We need a top 10 rushing attack that doesn’t include Josh ( as a staple)

You’re aware it’s 2022 and not 1993, correct? This is idiotic. 

[Buffalo Boy]

2 hours ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

You’re aware it’s 2022 and not 1993, correct? This is idiotic. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/29889/kansas-city-chiefs-offensive-line-rebuild-was-a-long-time-in-the-making?platform=amp
 

“The result from their neglect was a line that was solid at tackle with Fisher, the first pick in the draft back in 2013, and Schwartz. But it had been patched together with waiver claims and low-round draft picks in the interior. When Fisher and Schwartz were injured last season, everything collapsed.”

 

Yeah, what was I thinking. What kind of idiot Neanderthal would look to fortify their O line in this Century😉