Go get Vic Fangio

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

McDermott's defense is fine, but I think it can be too vanilla and without Tre it simply wasn't good enough at the corners to hold down the first passing offense they faced with a pulse since his injury. It's one thing to sit in a 2 deep shell when you have a top 3 DB locking down half of the field, but when that's the only trick you have, it gets exposed if that DB depth is tested. 

 

With Josh's cap hit about to jump you can't go out and spend a ridiculous amount on defense because you have to make sure you surround your franchise player with talent and protection. However, if they go make Fangio the highest paid coordinator in football and let him re-imagine this defense I think it can actually be elite. This is clearly a Super Bowl roster but they need to give themselves more of a shot against Mahomes because he's not going anywhere either. 

 

It would also be nice if McDermott pulled his head out and stopped surrendering with punts on 4th and 2 from the 45 when the opponent hasn't stopped Josh Allen all night, but that's another topic. 

[london_bills]

Can't see it happening. Mcd too much of a control guy. 

[TBBills]

Frazier should have no problem looking for a HC job bmc he needs to be fired from this team.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

Just now, london_bills said:

Can't see it happening. Mcd too much of a control guy. 

 

I agree and it's a shame. Sometimes in order to get better you have to let go of your deeply held beliefs in this sport. Nick Saban is the perfect example, he realized he was behind the times on offense and he completely changed and it's made him even more successful. I think Fangio would do amazing things for this org and give them their best shot to beat Mahomes next year.

[Wayne Cubed]

While I think it's a Vic Fangio is a very good DC, I just don't see it happening. McD doesn't run the same type of defense as Fangio and I'm not sure there's a coaching connection there.

[london_bills]

3 minutes ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

 

I agree and it's a shame. Sometimes in order to get better you have to let go of your deeply held beliefs in this sport. Nick Saban is the perfect example, he realized he was behind the times on offense and he completely changed and it's made him even more successful. I think Fangio would do amazing things for this org and give them their best shot to beat Mahomes next year.

To be fair I think Mcd is a good leader and isn't closed to personal growth, I just get the feeling fangio too big of a name. It might make some sense to have a very experienced DC/asst HC should frazier leave because I'm convinced Dorsey is the new OC 

Edited January 24, 2022 by london_bills

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

While I think it's a Vic Fangio is a very good DC, I just don't see it happening. McD doesn't run the same type of defense as Fangio and I'm not sure there's a coaching connection there.

Fangio isn't a "very good" DC, he's one of the two best in the sport imo. His scheme also give Mahomes as much trouble as a scheme can give him. It's probably not realistic because it would challenge many things McDermott has done as a DC in his career and I'm not sure he's up for that. However, Fangio does run a 2 high shell most of the time, doesn't blitz much, but he varies the fronts and where pressure comes from down to down. With the cap situation going forward it might be the best shot at building a defense to beat Mahomes, but it's more of a pipe dream than anything I bet. 

[John from Riverside]

been on my list for sometime now

[RobbRiddick]

I'd love it if they did but I agree that McD wouldn't do it due to different philosophies

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, RobbRiddick said:

I'd love it if they did but I agree that McD wouldn't do it due to different philosophies

McD needs to swallow his pride and just focus on winning. McD has had 2 shots at beating Mahomes and couldn’t get it done. If he is serious about winning, he needs to look into bringing in more expansive philosophies. 

[london_bills]

How about someone on the KC staff 

[Wayne Cubed]

Here's where I'll aslo disagree a bit. I don't think McD's specific defensive coaching philosophy is bad. It works, as proven in many previous seasons and in this season as well. It confuses the hell out of QBs.

 

No defensive strategy is perfect. If you are upset about what happened last night, I think that's more about McDs coaching style overall. It's certainly within a McD defensive scheme, to play more press man and jam receivers at the line. Unfortunately without Tre, that's a big ask on Dane Jackson. I just son't think you can do that. They could also apply more pressure on the QB in a McD defensive scheme. The gameplan wasn't to against Mahomes as he absolutely punishes teams for blitzing. 

 

I just don't think McD would give up critical defensive desicions, not to mention they've drafted guys for a McD defense. Take for example the 13 seconds last night, they could be running a Vic Fangio defensive scheme and McD could have still told Fangio to play soft, protect the sidelines and rush 4. And it still might have failed.

[cage]

1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:

While I think it's a Vic Fangio is a very good DC, I just don't see it happening. McD doesn't run the same type of defense as Fangio and I'm not sure there's a coaching connection there.

 

I guess then that's the test on how great of a head coach McD can be?  A great leader can also make bold decisions on change that is clearly needed.  I definitely agree w/ this thread on going after Fangio and launching the next level of growth for this team

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by cage

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

Frazier should have no problem looking for a HC job bmc he needs to be fired from this team.

EXACTLY!

[GunnerBill]

41 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Here's where I'll aslo disagree a bit. I don't think McD's specific defensive coaching philosophy is bad. It works, as proven in many previous seasons and in this season as well. It confuses the hell out of QBs.

 

No defensive strategy is perfect. If you are upset about what happened last night, I think that's more about McDs coaching style overall. It's certainly within a McD defensive scheme, to play more press man and jam receivers at the line. Unfortunately without Tre, that's a big ask on Dane Jackson. I just son't think you can do that. They could also apply more pressure on the QB in a McD defensive scheme. The gameplan wasn't to against Mahomes as he absolutely punishes teams for blitzing. 

 

I just don't think McD would give up critical defensive desicions, not to mention they've drafted guys for a McD defense. Take for example the 13 seconds last night, they could be running a Vic Fangio defensive scheme and McD could have still told Fangio to play soft, protect the sidelines and rush 4. And it still might have failed.

 

All of this. End thread.

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

McD needs to swallow his pride and just focus on winning. McD has had 2 shots at beating Mahomes and couldn’t get it done. If he is serious about winning, he needs to look into bringing in more expansive philosophies. 

McD is on record saying he learned to step back from the defense and focus on the whole team. This is his first HC job n he's learning as well and after 5 years I think he's down for whatever gives us the best chance at a SB

[PetermansRedemption]

Had a few hours to cool down and I’m at this conclusion still. Fire Frazier, bring in Fangio. 

[bmur66]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

I'd love it if they did but I agree that McD wouldn't do it due to different philosophies

And how has that philosophy been working for him?

[billsfan714]

Best idea I heard all night.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

58 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Here's where I'll aslo disagree a bit. I don't think McD's specific defensive coaching philosophy is bad. It works, as proven in many previous seasons and in this season as well. It confuses the hell out of QBs.

 

No defensive strategy is perfect. If you are upset about what happened last night, I think that's more about McDs coaching style overall. It's certainly within a McD defensive scheme, to play more press man and jam receivers at the line. Unfortunately without Tre, that's a big ask on Dane Jackson. I just son't think you can do that. They could also apply more pressure on the QB in a McD defensive scheme. The gameplan wasn't to against Mahomes as he absolutely punishes teams for blitzing. 

 

I just don't think McD would give up critical defensive desicions, not to mention they've drafted guys for a McD defense. Take for example the 13 seconds last night, they could be running a Vic Fangio defensive scheme and McD could have still told Fangio to play soft, protect the sidelines and rush 4. And it still might have failed.

I think McDermott would because He does not like calling defense anymore both Beane and McDermott know if Frazier is back teams will attack Buffalo by keeping Josh on the sidelines and keeping the defense on the field.  It happened to the Bill’s in the 90’s it will happen next year.