Did our defensive game plan scheme our two all pro safeties out of the game?

[appoo]

They did a lot to protect their corners, which made it a lot harder for Poyer/Micah to get into the game. I don't know that Mahomes threw a pass beyond 25 yards?

 

One of the spiciest takes I have is that we need to get someone like Jaquon Brisker for one of Hyde/Poyer, to get more speed, versatility and eplosiveness in the back 7. 

[filthymcnasty08]

2 deep zone - they were basically in prevent all game

 

It's like we convinced ourselves that Andy Reid didn't know this was coming.   Flat defensive gameplan.  We didn't give ourselves chances to make plays.  Just hoping we could contain drives and outscore them.

 

With Tre, we have the man coverage option on one side.  That frees up a  spy role, extra zone coverage in the middle for Kelce, blitz option from CB or Safety.  

 

The difference was no #27 

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

2 deep zone - they were basically in prevent all game

 

It's like we convinced ourselves that Andy Reid didn't know this was coming.   Flat defensive gameplan.  We didn't give ourselves chances to make plays.  Just hoping we could contain drives and outscore them.

 

With Tre, we have the man coverage option on one side.  That frees up a  spy role, extra zone coverage in the middle for Kelce, blitz option from CB or Safety.  

 

The difference was no #27 

Except the game plan worked. They got enough stops, and got Allen the ball with a shot to take the lead with under 2 minutes left. They basicaly failed the last 60 seconds of the game, and that was mostly down to A) Tyreke Hill's speed and and rookie's failing to generate the pass rush, and B) mysterious coaching decisions in the last 13 seconds. 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

10 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Agreed, but the missing piece was White. He takes half the field away.

I guess they managed to throw for 325 yards and put up 38 points in the AFC championship game last year using only the left 50% of the field.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401220401

 

Seriously though: the way KC's offense is designed, and given the speed Tyreek has and the elite ability of Kelce at TE, and the ability of Mahomes to extend plays and make impossible throws, even a traditionally superb cover guy like Tre White isn't gonna stop that passing game.

Edited January 24, 2022 by The Frankish Reich

[appoo]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

I guess they managed to throw for 325 yards and put up 38 points in the AFC championship game last year using only the left 50% of the field.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401220401

 

Seriously though: the way KC's offense is designed, even a traditionally superb cover guy like Tre White isn't gonna stop that passing game.

Nah, but you can take more risks with your safeties. Like you won't ask Tre to run across the field with Hill, but you'd trust him to take away the deep stuff - and you can ask a safety to play a zone closer to the LOS on Tre's side. Makes a big difference when you're playing a team like the Chiefs

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

Nah, but you can take more risks with your safeties. Like you won't ask Tre to run across the field with Hill, but you'd trust him to take away the deep stuff - and you can ask a safety to play a zone closer to the LOS on Tre's side. Makes a big difference when you're playing a team like the Chiefs

You're right. Losing Tre clearly made a difference, particularly since Dane had his struggles out there. In a game as close as this one even winning on one or two more plays could've been the deciding factor. I was just having fun with the idea that he can shut down literally half the field for Mahomes.

[appoo]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

You're right. Losing Tre clearly made a difference, particularly since Dane had his struggles out there. In a game as close as this one even winning on one or two more plays could've been the deciding factor. I was just having fun with the idea that he can shut down literally half the field for Mahomes.

Definitely get you!

 

Honestly it's wild that the Bills secondary is composed of UDFA (Levi Wallace) , 7th Rounder (Dane Jackson), a 4th rounder (Taron Johnson), and a pair of FA castaways at safety and they managed to be as good as they were without Tre White.  The thing is - the draft got their athletic traits right - they're all average to below average athletes for their positions. 

 

There's a good argument to be made for adding two dynamic pieces back there, one at safety the other at CB2

[major]

13 hours ago, Turk71 said:

The coaches were scared and played soft d all night to be 'safe'. You don't win Championships playing it safe and being soft. 

And the congregation said, amen