Bojo cost the Packers the game...Beane was right?

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, Evian said:

 

I don't believe "a team deserved to lose" if they win the game. Winning is all that matters. 

 

I do believe in placing blame for losing. The Packers lost and deserved to lose because the offense did not show up. Points and wins/losses are the only stats that matter in the playoffs. The Packers failed in both.

This response, and what Hapless said, all point to one thing:   It's a team game.  It takes complementary football.  The games are long, and you have ups and downs throughout the game.  Everyone plays the game together, and winning or losing is the sum of all their collective efforts.  The truth is that no matter how spectacular a game Josh Allen plays, the Bills win or lose because of the sum of all of their efforts.  

 

So, yes, if you win, you didn't deserve to lose (unless you're the Patriots and the officials give you the game).   If all we look at is Garoppolo's stat line and say he deserved to lose, well, then we should look at Rodgers' stat line and say the same thing.  

 

Every 49er is thinking today "we could have lost that game," but none of them is saying "we deserved to lose."   They won, they know they won, and they know they won because they all worked together to win. 

[1ManRaid]

Wow some people are just desperate to find reasons to hate on the guy.  I wasn't his biggest fan, but this is ridiculous. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Davante Adams hesitates at the last second.  He quit on the route.

 

That one is not on Adams.  Rodgers had an uncovered receiver running free across the middle of the field at the 45 yd line.  Edit: #13, Allen Lazard.  Lazard had 1 catch on 1 target in the game.  On the season, 40 receptions on 60 targets (66.7% catch) and 1 drop.

 

On the L, #19 (St Brown) had a step on his guy.

 

It was 3rd and 11 on the GB 28, so either one of those guys gets the first down.

 

Throwing to a double-covered Davante Adams on that play was Nutz.  Bad decision making - on Rodgers, and if the receiver running free couldn't be trusted to catch the ball, on the Packers for supplying "Davante Adams and who else?" at WR.

 

Bad decision by Rodgers.  There was plenty of time left at that point, more than 3 minutes.

 

23 minutes ago, Malazan said:

I think bojo is an issue, but don't be Aaron Rodgers.. don't blame bojo when the vaunted packer's offense manages 10 points. 

 

Did Rodgers actually say this?  Did he actually blame Bojo?  Because he should apportion blame with a mirror if so.  It's not all on AR, but he is the star, and he needs to own his share.

[MJS]

It wasn't his fault at all. The line letting rushers through is what caused both of those plays.

[NewEra]

One thing we know…..it wasn’t Jordan Loves fault that they lost.  

Edited January 23, 2022 by NewEra

[Success]

It shouldn't have come down to that. But it did look like he took an extra step.

 

The Packers had a LOT of opportunities to put that game away (one more TD would have done it).

 

[Nelius]

I'm truly surprised that he lasted this long and I think that's what it really comes down to - the Packers lost because they're not a very good organization. They're going to be awful when Rodgers leaves.

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Disagree---you can single out any handful of plays and say that's the difference.

 

Maybe the game was lost on a crucial 3rd or 4th down when GB failed to get the 1st down, keep the drive alive, and go on to score a TD.

 

It's just that some plays jump out as more obvious than others--but all are equally important.

 

 

I think you agree with me completely.   Some plays stand out as more obvious, it's the sum of all the plays that determines the outcome.  

 

For example, you can look at Taron Johnson's interception and say that play won the game against the Ravens.  You can say if Jackson reads the defense properly, he finds the TD elsewhere, or they get a field goal or whatever.   But it's just as easy to look at any of a dozen other plays and say if X makes this cut or Y makes this tackle or Z doesn't hold, the game's different.   Those plays are happening all the time.   It's just that some are more obvious than others. 

 

And it's magnified in low scoring games.  I was in a discussion yesterday about why Johnson's INT was a greater play in Bills history than Hyde's INT against the Pats.   Not because Johnson's was a better play, but because it was a more important play.  When your offense is scoring 40, your INT just isn't as important as when your offense is scoring 6.  So, these plays stand out even more in low scoring games, but that's just how we see it.  The fact is that the outcome always is determined by how 11 guys executed against 11 other guys on a lot of plays.  

[QLBillsFan]

AR body language was bad all game.Throwing off back foot and seemed disgusted the whole second half. Like he was supposed to be at a Foo Fighters concert instead. MVP and just really seemed disinterested. Do the pack even want him back ? Probably but he’s high maintenance at this point. Be interested in what Pack fans think. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

38 minutes ago, Evian said:

 

I get it in a 27-24 loss, but when you score 10 points, your offense lost you the game. Simple as that  

 

 

This is nonsense.  You even contradict it yourself.  If your offense scores 10 points, and the opponent scores 9, you win.

Are you going to say "your offense lost you the game" in those circs, when you won?

 

33 minutes ago, Evian said:

I don't believe "a team deserved to lose" if they win the game. Winning is all that matters. 

 

So which is it?  Is winning all that matters, or "when you score 10 points, your offense lost you the game"?

 

You can't have it both ways.

 

33 minutes ago, Evian said:

I do believe in placing blame for losing. The Packers lost and deserved to lose because the offense did not show up. Points and wins/losses are the only stats that matter in the playoffs. The Packers failed in both.

 

If you want to place blame for losing, than having the punt blocked and gifting the 49ers a ST TD that tied the game and allowed them to win in the final seconds with a FG would probably be the proximate cause of the loss.  But obviously they wouldn't be in that position if the rest of the team played better all game.

 

GB ST has been problematic all year, and acting on Beane's dictum that your final game highlights your biggest problems, ST was "it" for GB.

 

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said:

From Beane's own comments the Bills wanted to bring him back and it seemed like they couldn't agree on a contract. Dodged a bullet there.

If that's the case he's not a smart person. He signed with LA thinking he was going to beat out Hekker? Dumb.

3 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

AR body language was bad all game.Throwing off back foot and seemed disgusted the whole second half. Like he was supposed to be at a Foo Fighters concert instead. MVP and just really seemed disinterested. Do the pack even want him back ? Probably but he’s high maintenance at this point. Be interested in what Pack fans think. 

Throw away top shelf qbs at your own peril Green Bay. If you do that, Jordan Love better be the guy.

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

One think we know…..it wasn’t Jordan Loves fault that they lost.  

 

No.  But it soon will be...

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No.  But it soon will be...

I can’t wait!!

Just now, NewEra said:

I can’t wait!!

Too bad that’ll mean AR is in the AFC and have some good weapons to throw to

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

If that's the case he's not a smart person. He signed with LA thinking he was going to beat out Hekker? Dumb.

Throw away top shelf qbs at your own peril Green Bay. If you do that, Jordan Love better be the guy.

They have had top shelf QBs with Rodgers and Favre for close to 30 years. They only won 2 SBs with them.

 

Clearly throwing away the careers of top shelf QBs is something that the Packers are very accomplished at doing. 

 

They did not use their last 2 toys right...they SHOULD be punished with bad QBs for the next 30 years.

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

I've never seen such pathetic special teams as Green Bay has.

 

Every game I saw them play this season they were giving up huge returns, missing FG, or both. 

 

Last night was their magnum opus of ineptitude. How do you lose on a blocked FG and blocked punt in the same game! 

 

SF has been smoke and mirrors all playoffs. Next week the magic runs out. 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I can’t wait!!

Too bad that’ll mean AR is in the AFC and have some good weapons to throw to

One of the biggest lies of the last 15 years is that Rodgers hasn't had anyone to throw to. Even today. MVS and Lazard are very solid guys. Not to mention one of (if not THE) best WR in Adams. He's had Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Greg Jennings...and I could go on. A QB in his level should be able to do just fine with those targets.

 

They have spent and invested in defense. He has had a running game the last few years that has been great.

 

Time to say that maybe Aaron is just an excellent regular season QB. 

[NewEra]

Just now, No Place To Hyde said:

One of the biggest lies of the last 15 years is that Rodgers hasn't had anyone to throw to. Even today. MVS and Lazard are very solid guys. Not to mention one of (if not THE) best WR in Adams. He's had Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Greg Jennings...and I could go on. A QB in his level should be able to do just fine with those targets.

 

They have spent and invested in defense. He has had a running game the last few years that has been great.

 

Time to say that maybe Aaron is just an excellent regular season QB. 

Sure thing man.  Those guys are great.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Their offense was terrible.  Can’t pin it all on one play. Reminded me of our week 1 game vs Steelers 

 

that said their ST has been really bad all year and weaknesses typically get magnified in playoff games 

 

Rodgers was great on the first drive then proceeded to do nothing for the remaining 50+ minutes of that game. Embarrassing to go out like that at home against a team not used to playing in snow/cold.

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, hmsmystic said:

It wasn't that Bojo had a punt blocked- it's that he muffled a hold on an easy field goal that blocked.

 

Haack had a terrible game a few weeks ago and got ripped.  Seemed kind of silly to get a punter whose specialty was holding.  However here we are- maybe Bean was right and knew something after all!?

 

Let's see tonight- Go Bills!

 

Don't agree. Bojo's hold was fine. His punt also fine. The blocking was the problem.

Edited January 23, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[vincec]

38 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Wow some people are just desperate to find reasons to hate on the guy.  I wasn't his biggest fan, but this is ridiculous. 

It's just the spin machine trying to justify the Bills now having one of the worst punters in the league. I just hope Haack doesn't cost the Bills tonight.