Are coaches always to blame - McD, Frazier & Daboll?

[Utah John]

Sure there are games where the coaches are out-guessed by the other team's coaches.  It happens.  But there are also games where Josh is just ... off.  Not accurate or smart.  He isn't always a combination of Superman and Captain America.  Sometimes he's just a QB who misses an easy completion on a short out, killing a drive.  It happens.  Coaches and QBs and all the other players are human beings who sometimes make mistakes.  

[ArtVandalay]

10 minutes ago, Mango said:

Bills had a timeout. Play looks like Allen checked into a run. 

 

So in that scenario, what’s the coaching blunder? 

I didn't say they didn't have a time out. I was saying you run for the 1st, you stop the clock at 17 seconds or so,  now you still need to run another play and score with no time outs, that's what I was trying to communicate. 

 

Did Allen check? I don't think so unless he or a coach said so I don't think that's the case, looked to be deception by design. 

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

I didn't say they didn't have a time out. I was saying you run for the 1st, you stop the clock at 17 seconds or so,  now you still need to run another play and score with no time outs, that's what I was trying to communicate. 

 

Did Allen check? I don't think so unless he or a coach said so I don't think that's the case, looked to be deception by design. 

 

Really poor choice of words then. 
 

"Then you need to rip off another play with what 17 or less seconds and no time outs to score?" - You can get two maaaybeee three passing plays with 17 seconds left on the 3. It is presnap read, hit your backfoot, fire it in there or into the stands. You phrased it as that there was inherent risk in just getting a single play off in "17 seconds" and with "no time outs". 

Also weird you mention you thought the Bills OL lined up for pass. Allen lines up in shotgun. But the coaching staff didn't get the team lined up properly? 

I actually would have played for the FG there. I disliked the decision as a whole. But it wasn't a coaching blunder. Allen made the wrong check and slipped. The OL lost their one on ones. It is what it is

[GoBills808]

Not as much as people think

 

If a player or unit’s not in a position to succeed then that’s the coaches fault, but more often it’s an execution (player) issue

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, teef said:

There isn’t a point.  You just started a thread to let us know that you’ll complain about coaching if the bills lose.  
 

I thought you might get the point when the last few threads you’ve started have been ***** down to protect you from you.  Any of this sink in?

I don’t think there’s a poster that has had more eye rolls than him.  But everyone else misses the point.

[TBBills]

These next 2 games need to be Daboll's finest b.c he is showing he can bring a genius for offensive power.

 

Same For Fraizer...

[FilthyBeast]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

So let me get this out of the way first.  I am confident about Sunday, but never can be 100% sure.....😜

 

But I'm already ready to blame coaching should anything go wrong.

 

When Allen doesn't play well (except probably the 3 ints vs. Atlanta & Jax games) I'm always ready & going to blame Daboll.

 

Not fair, but seems we've seen it this year almost always after a great game, that play calling (especially redzone) seems off the following week (yep could have been weather too i.e. NE).     

 

Last weekend McCarthy & coaching took much of the heat in the Dallas/SF game.

 

I just hope that there is no reins put on Allen this (and the following two games this year😜)

 

Taking last week's PO game out of the equation, the common theme with this team this season when they've played well is playing aggressive. Specifically the first matchup against the Chiefs and the key road game in NE. Even in the loss against the Titans McDermott opted to go for the win instead of the tie even though it was unsuccessful.

 

So if this game ends up being similar to last year's AFCCG and McD at any point settles for a field goal in the redzone instead of going for a TD on 4th down that will ultimately dictate the outcome of this game especially if we are in situation where were are trailing by a TD or more. The realization simply has to be there that FG's aren't going to cut it and I expect Andy Reid to also play similarly against the Bills because that's been his MO for some time.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I don’t think there’s a poster that has had more eye rolls than him.  But everyone else misses the point.

Was waiting for you to show up.....  You & Teef leading the charge.

 

I'm a fan and asking a question.  I have the utmost confidence in the Bills offense and most times when things don't go well I blame Daboll. 

 

If KC has long drawn out drives and converts too many 3rd & 4th downs, I will blame Frazier. 

 

Just an observation and my opinion.  Let me apologize to you......  

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, teef said:

There isn’t a point.  You just started a thread to let us know that you’ll complain about coaching if the bills lose.  
 

I thought you might get the point when the last few threads you’ve started have been ***** down to protect you from you.  Any of this sink in?

No matter what happens during the game, he will blame coaching if the Bills don't win.  Premeditated blame. 

 

If Allen goes full Peterman and throws 7 INTs in the first half, OP will say "Daboll, why you call the interception play?!?!"  If Levi Wallace goes into a fugue state and forgets what football is OP is going to Blame Frazier for not having 13 men on the field.  

 

The only part of this I don't understand is why OP titled this thread in the form of a question when its obvious that he believes everything that happens in a loss is due to coaching.

[ArtVandalay]

24 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Really poor choice of words then. 
 

"Then you need to rip off another play with what 17 or less seconds and no time outs to score?" - You can get two maaaybeee three passing plays with 17 seconds left on the 3. It is presnap read, hit your backfoot, fire it in there or into the stands. You phrased it as that there was inherent risk in just getting a single play off in "17 seconds" and with "no time outs". 

Also weird you mention you thought the Bills OL lined up for pass. Allen lines up in shotgun. But the coaching staff didn't get the team lined up properly? 

I actually would have played for the FG there. I disliked the decision as a whole. But it wasn't a coaching blunder. Allen made the wrong check and slipped. The OL lost their one on ones. It is what it is

Fine whatever lol... 17 sec no TO to score after a first down... 3 plays? Maybe... or maybe only one of you are sacked or stopped short. 

 

I didn't think the Bills lined up on pass formation, that's what they did, look at the play, the are off the LOS with Allen in shotgun. That's a fact.  Bills run out of shotgun like this and for short yardage it's a disaster waiting to happen. You guard is a half yard off the LOS, you're doomed.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

No matter what happens during the game, he will blame coaching if the Bills don't win.  Premeditated blame. 

 

If Allen goes full Peterman and throws 7 INTs in the first half, OP will say "Daboll, why you call the interception play?!?!"  If Levi Wallace goes into a fugue state and forgets what football is OP is going to Blame Frazier for not having 13 men on the field.  

 

The only part of this I don't understand is why OP titled this thread in the form of a question when its obvious that he believes everything that happens in a loss is due to coaching.

Asking others for opinions.....  You're right (and said it in the original post that I am ready to blame coaching), as far as I have seen, Allen has had very few stinkers the past two years.  He was not good vs. Jax and just weird set of circumstances vs. Atl.  Yes for the most part I though bad play calling has reared it's ugly head a # of games. 

 

When you are convinced the Bills are the best team, if they lose, yes will be looking for blame.

 

I don't want to see that this Sunday.    

Edited January 21, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Billsfan1972]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:25 AM, teef said:

So…if the bills win, the op will be happy.  If the bills lose, the op will blame coaching.  
 

 

revolutionary. 

Sorry but as I posted, yet again it came down to inept coaching with 13 seconds left...... 

 

I am gutted right now, but that was my thread Friday and the one thing I kept thinking may happen and this would be the result.

 

Really do you think I wanted to be here & post this???!!!

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Sorry but as I posted, yet again it came down to inept coaching with 13 seconds left...... 

 

I am gutted right now, but that was my thread Friday and the one thing I kept thinking may happen and this would be the result.

 

Really do you think I wanted to be here & post this???!!!

 

The game management decisions at the end were incorrect. They are on coaching. But this game was a whoever had the ball last game. I knew all week it would be. It came down to the two best players in the league and neither could be stopped. The Steel Curtain, the '85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens would not have stopped Allen and Mahomes last night. 

[Man with No Name]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The game management decisions at the end were incorrect. They are on coaching. But this game was a whoever had the ball last game. I knew all week it would be. It came down to the two best players in the league and neither could be stopped. The Steel Curtain, the '85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens would not have stopped Allen and Mahomes last night. 

the whoever had the ball last thing is true. we all knew mahomes would score with 2 minutes left. there was a good chance allen would score with a minute left. but 13 seconds left does not apply to "whoever has the ball last"  13 seconds is not a guarantee, but it needs to be better than what we did.  the coaches did not give us a chance at the end. 

[BillsFanSD]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The game management decisions at the end were incorrect. They are on coaching. But this game was a whoever had the ball last game. I knew all week it would be. It came down to the two best players in the league and neither could be stopped. The Steel Curtain, the '85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens would not have stopped Allen and Mahomes last night. 

It's one thing to play "whoever has the ball last" card when you leave two minutes on the clock for the other guys, like we did on our next to last score.  You can also play that card when you leave 1:09 on the clock for the other guys, like the Chiefs did on their TD.  It doesn't apply when you take the lead with 13 seconds remaining.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said:

It's one thing to play "whoever has the ball last" card when you leave two minutes on the clock for the other guys, like we did on our next to last score.  You can also play that card when you leave 1:09 on the clock for the other guys, like the Chiefs did on their TD.  It doesn't apply when you take the lead with 13 seconds remaining.  

 

They screwed up the game management at the end, no question. But this is where we are in the NFL now. The truly elite Quarterbacks need very little time to kill you. 13 seconds and three time outs is 3 plays. That is too many to give Mahomes. If they have squibbed it is maybe down to two plays and that might have been enough. But even then, no guarantee. Patrick Mahomes is freaking incredible. So is Josh Allen. I have no doubt the roles reversed Allen would have got us into FG range too. 

[Scott7975]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The game management decisions at the end were incorrect. They are on coaching. But this game was a whoever had the ball last game. I knew all week it would be. It came down to the two best players in the league and neither could be stopped. The Steel Curtain, the '85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens would not have stopped Allen and Mahomes last night. 

 

Nobody should score with 13 seconds left.  I don't care how good the QB is.  That was a coaching blunder.  You don't need the 85 Bears defense to stop someone with only 13 seconds time.  You just don't.  They made it too damn easy.  It wasn't Mahomes they needed to stop it was wide open Hill and Kelce getting 500 yards after the catch.

[Matt_In_NH]

The defense they were in with 13 seconds left sucked.   No one will convince me otherwise.   They just gave them a fg attempt 

[billsfan714]

They will show that D in the final 13 seconds as an example of what never to do in coaching clinics for generations.

Edited January 24, 2022 by billsfan714

[Billsfan1972]

There were plenty of other mistakes one can point to, but the last 13 seconds were just terribly managed, no if ands or buts.

 

Sorry a kick down to the 5 and 20 yard yard return leaves 7 seconds on the clock.  No QB is getting into field gal range with 7 seconds. 

 

Those two plays were served on a platter to Mahomes.