Are coaches always to blame - McD, Frazier & Daboll?

[Billsfan1972]

So let me get this out of the way first.  I am confident about Sunday, but never can be 100% sure.....😜

 

But I'm already ready to blame coaching should anything go wrong.

 

When Allen doesn't play well (except probably the 3 ints vs. Atlanta & Jax games) I'm always ready & going to blame Daboll.

 

Not fair, but seems we've seen it this year almost always after a great game, that play calling (especially redzone) seems off the following week (yep could have been weather too i.e. NE).     

 

Last weekend McCarthy & coaching took much of the heat in the Dallas/SF game.

 

I just hope that there is no reins put on Allen this (and the following two games this year😜)

Edited January 21, 2022 by Billsfan1972
Fixed title.....

[Mango]

That run with 14 seconds was absurd. Didn't they confirm that was the call and McCarthy confirmed/OK'd the call on the headset. And they they even practice this play call....without a ref....where the center just spots the ball himself and somebody taps it...Not to mention that the self spotted ball on game day was nearly 2 full yards off the mark.....

It is wild that there is a thread about our coaches maybe being on the hot seat with a bad performance, while also comparing it to the biggest coaching blunder of the playoffs so far this year. 

When Allen throws 3 interceptions in a game, there can be a lot of reasons for it. But I put most of it on the QB...on any team. 

We have a strong HC who has some leash, who also provides his staff with some leash. Nobody is on the hot seat from a coordinator perspective. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by Mango

[JGMcD2]

6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

So let me get this out of the way first.  I am confident about Sunday, but never can be 100% sure.....😜

 

But I'm already ready to blame coaching should anything go wrong.

 

When Allen doesn't play well (except probably the 3 ints vs. Atlanta & Jax games) I'm always ready & going to blame Daboll.

 

Not fair, but seems we've seen it this year almost always after a great game, that play calling (especially redzone) seems off the following week (yep could have been weather too i.e. NE).     

 

Last weekend McCarthy & coaching took much of the heat in the Dallas/SF game.

 

I just hope that there is no reins put on Allen this (and the following two games this year😜)

This doesn’t make any sense… 

 

If they ***** up…they’ll hear about it. Rightfully so. It doesn’t mean they’re going to be on the hot seat. 
 

We’re one of the best run teams in the league… but mistakes will be made. Nobody is impervious to them. 

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, Mango said:

That run with 14 seconds was absurd. Didn't they confirm that was the call and McCarthy confirmed/OK'd the call on the headset. And they they even practice this play call....without a ref....where the center just spots the ball himself. 

It is wild that there is a thread about our coaches maybe being on the hot seat with a bad performance, while also comparing it to the biggest coaching blunder of the playoffs so far this year. 

When Allen throws 3 interceptions in a game, there can be a lot of reasons for it. But I put most of it on the QB...on any team. 

We have a strong HC who has some leash, who also provides his staff with some leash. Nobody is on the hot seat from a coordinator perspective. 

Hot seat as in firing, of course not.  But that will be the talk Monday.

 

The 4th down play vs. Tennessee was a coaching blunder.  Yes Allen slipped, but was unorganized and you could tell the Bills were not prepared.

 

However I am posting just for discussion as I am confident.

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

This doesn’t make any sense… 

 

If they ***** up…they’ll hear about it. Rightfully so. It doesn’t mean they’re going to be on the hot seat. 
 

We’re one of the best run teams in the league… but mistakes will be made. Nobody is impervious to them. 

I couldn't think about the right words....  Yes if they ***** up they'll hear it.  I am not using the word, but Coaching will hear about it.

[teef]

So…if the bills win, the op will be happy.  If the bills lose, the op will blame coaching.  
 

 

revolutionary. 

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Hot seat as in firing, of course not.  But that will be the talk Monday.

 

The 4th down play vs. Tennessee was a coaching blunder.  Yes Allen slipped, but was unorganized and you could tell the Bills were not prepared.

 

However I am posting just for discussion as I am confident.

 

What do you mean by hot seat then? Do coaches receive criticism when things go wrong? Yes. In fact you are already ready to, no matter what happens on Sunday. Which is wild in and of itself. 

 

The 4th down call, a coaching blunder? what are you talking about? Disagree with the decision, fine. I won't argue the call one way or the other. Unorganized? They came out of a timeout, lined up just fine. We failed to execute. Tennessee did a better job, it is what it is. And to bring that up in the same scenario of the total systemic and organizational failure of what happened in that Dallas game, is absolutely wild. 
 

 

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

So…if the bills win, the op will be happy.  If the bills lose, the op will blame coaching.  
 

 

revolutionary. 

Can't help yourself (just like me).  I have not and will not use the L word.😜

 

I've blamed the coaching on every bad game Allen has had since day 1!!!!!!!!😜

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

What do you mean by hot seat then? Do coaches receive criticism when things go wrong? Yes. In fact you are already ready to, no matter what happens on Sunday. Which is wild in and of itself. 

 

The 4th down call, a coaching blunder? what are you talking about? Disagree with the decision, fine. I won't argue the call one way or the other. Unorganized? They came out of a timeout, lined up just fine. We failed to execute. Tennessee did a better job, it is what it is. And to bring that up in the same scenario of the total systemic and organizational failure of what happened in that Dallas game, is absolutely wild. 
 

 

Tennessee said they knew exactly where the Bills were going on the play.  There were 3 titans lined up on the side Allen went.  

 

Okay Hot Seat is wrong.  Will coaching be blamed????  Is that better?

[ProcessTruster]

No.  I'd absolutely bring them all back next season, regardless of what happens Sunday.   Bills have a great thing going.   Saturday proved it. 

 

Don't go and screw it up now.   Mc Beanes are killing it.  

[JGMcD2]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Okay Hot Seat is wrong.  Will coaching be blamed????  Is that better?

Yeah, thanks. 
 

Phrases have specific meanings for a reason… 

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Can't help yourself (just like me).  I have not and will not use the L word.😜

 

I've blamed the coaching on every bad game Allen has had since day 1!!!!!!!!😜

We’ll that was my point.  Your threads tend to follow the same theme. If the bills score a lot of points, your happy because that’s what you wanted them to do.   If they lose, you’re critical of coaching, because you feel they wouldn’t let Allen score more points.  Every single thread is a version of this. 
 

See the concern here?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Coaches can be criticized just like players. There's a difference between being critical and saying someone should be replaced.

 

Coaches are a huge part of the game. The game plan is very important. Game day coaching is also very important. 

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, teef said:

We’ll that was my point.  Your threads tend to follow the same theme. If the bills score a lot of points, your happy because that’s what you wanted them to do.   If they lose, you’re critical of coaching, because you feel they wouldn’t let Allen score more points.  Every single thread is a version of this. 
 

See the concern here?

Because I believe it as we see what Allen is capable of (at least vs. NE😜).

[teef]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Because I believe it as we see what Allen is capable of (at least vs. NE😜).

I don’t think you understand.  We’ll, either way I’ll be looking forward to you next thread. 

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

I don’t think you understand.  We’ll, either way I’ll be looking forward to you next thread. 

Naw I do.....  I think you miss the point.  But tired of this circular argument when it comes to Allen.

 

I btw refuse to say/use/write the L word. 

[teef]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Naw I do.....  I think you miss the point.  But tired of this circular argument when it comes to Allen.

 

I btw refuse to say/use/write the L word. 

There isn’t a point.  You just started a thread to let us know that you’ll complain about coaching if the bills lose.  
 

I thought you might get the point when the last few threads you’ve started have been ***** down to protect you from you.  Any of this sink in?

[BuffaloBillyG]

20 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

What do you mean by hot seat then? Do coaches receive criticism when things go wrong? Yes. In fact you are already ready to, no matter what happens on Sunday. Which is wild in and of itself. 

 

The 4th down call, a coaching blunder? what are you talking about? Disagree with the decision, fine. I won't argue the call one way or the other. Unorganized? They came out of a timeout, lined up just fine. We failed to execute. Tennessee did a better job, it is what it is. And to bring that up in the same scenario of the total systemic and organizational failure of what happened in that Dallas game, is absolutely wild. 
 

 

Looked to me then and still looks like on that play Allen was given 2 sets of plays. He starts out in the shotgun. Reads where the Titans are lined up and sdes they are light in the line with some LBers...look to be playing the pass. Allen reads and adjusts to (is baited into) the run. Ball snapped and he slips, Dawkins is blown up and Allen plunges low to try and gain. May have had a better chance if he tried to stay high and let some of his teammates push and pull him along. Never know 

 

One thing for sure...that was not on coaching at that point. Allen though he had the right read and Dawk got out muscled. Simple as that.

[Brand J]

2 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Looked to me then and still looks like on that play Allen was given 2 sets of plays. He starts out in the shotgun. Reads where the Titans are lined up and sdes they are light in the line with some LBers...look to be playing the pass. Allen reads and adjusts to (is baited into) the run. Ball snapped and he slips, Dawkins is blown up and Allen plunges low to try and gain. May have had a better chance if he tried to stay high and let some of his teammates push and pull him along. Never know 

 

One thing for sure...that was not on coaching at that point. Allen though he had the right read and Dawk got out muscled. Simple as that.

He also snuck the ball to the wrong gap - the one the Titans said they were advised he always sneaks to. If you look at the overhead shot of the play, if he sneaks behind the right guard he may barrel in for a TD. The left side was far too bunched up, 2 players within centimeters of each other and the player on the end was arguably their best DL.

[Nextmanup]

Some football fans will tell you a huge percentage of winning in the NFL is coaching, usually by means of scheming.

 

Put the guys on the field in the right places and tell them to do the right things, and they'll do it.

 

Consider that the talent disparity among ALL players in the NFL is minor.  They are all elite athletes and great players exist on every team.

 

Some are better than others for sure--but I am inclined to think coaching does go a long way to success at the NFL level.

 

 

[ArtVandalay]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

What do you mean by hot seat then? Do coaches receive criticism when things go wrong? Yes. In fact you are already ready to, no matter what happens on Sunday. Which is wild in and of itself. 

 

The 4th down call, a coaching blunder? what are you talking about? Disagree with the decision, fine. I won't argue the call one way or the other. Unorganized? They came out of a timeout, lined up just fine. We failed to execute. Tennessee did a better job, it is what it is. And to bring that up in the same scenario of the total systemic and organizational failure of what happened in that Dallas game, is absolutely wild. 
 

 

Our line was getting manhandled at the time.  The LG got thrown in Allen's lap the play stood no chance. 

 

But the blunder is you have 22 seconds and you are on the 3 yardline on 4th down. You are not scoring a sneak from the 3 vs a goal line D, so the play is purely for a 1st down. Then you need to rip off another play with what 17 or less seconds and no time outs to score? It's a massive blunder. You go for the TD or kick the FG. You don't try for a 1st down with under 20 seconds.  Stupid.

 

To make matters worse the Bills line was off the LOS in a pass block formation not up on the line to run block.  

 

Blunders like this are why the Bills were 0-5 in one score games. Just an awful call all around. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Mango]

8 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Our line was getting manhandled at the time.  The LG got thrown in Allen's lap the play stood no chance. 

 

But the blunder is you have 22 seconds and you are on the 3 yardline on 4th down. You are not scoring a sneak from the 3 vs a goal line D, so the play is purely for a 1st down. Then you need to rip off another play with what 17 or less seconds and no time outs to score? It's a massive blunder. You go for the TD or kick the FG. You don't try for a 1st down with under 20 seconds.  Stupid.

 

To make matters worse the Bills line was off the LOS in a pass block formation not up on the line to run block.  

 

Blunders like this are why the Bills were 0-5 in one score games. Just an awful call all around. 

Bills had a timeout. Play looks like Allen checked into a run. 

 

So in that scenario, what’s the coaching blunder?