Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 1:53 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I noticed on that play Feliciano was in. Was wondering who he was playing for? Bates was there, was he in for Williams due to injury, Morse? Or was it at point they were playing some of the subs already? Expand Was Mongo in as an extra- extra- OLman? All the starters but Morse got 100% of the snaps, and Morse got 95% and only came out when Josh Allen did. But Feliciano played 9% (2 more than that) and Doyle played 20% (11). Even Cody Ford got a few snaps. Quote
Brand J Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 1:07 PM, Big Turk said: Cannot believe McD would have rather have had the type of OLine play we had to save Bates for emergency rather than plug him in and have them playing the way they have been the past several weeks. He was the key to the OLine all along with his ability to combo block and pass guys off properly. Expand I’d think this would be more on the position coach than the HC since he works much more closely with the players. When Bates went in and McD saw the effectiveness of the OL, no doubt he’d overrule any attempts to put Ford or Feliciano back in there. Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 4:21 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Was Mongo in as an extra- extra- OLman? All the starters but Morse got 100% of the snaps, and Morse got 95% and only came out when Josh Allen did. But Feliciano played 9% (2 more than that) and Doyle played 20% (11). Even Cody Ford got a few snaps. Expand Wasn't Doyle in as the extra lineman, or was he in as 2nd TE plus 6 lineman?? that would account for 9 out of 11 including Allen, not many room for many others left. Quote
BuffaloBill Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 11:25 AM, LyndonvilleBill said: Question is, Will he get a fine for using a prop?🤣 Expand At least he did not pick up another “prop” that was on the field….. 2 Quote
Motorin' Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 1:59 PM, NewEra said: Especially because Ike sucks. He’s worse than Mongo imo 💯 Expand Ike is exactly what you want for a #3 or #4 OG, imo. 2 1 Quote
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 5:02 PM, JayBaller10 said: I’d think this would be more on the position coach than the HC since he works much more closely with the players. When Bates went in and McD saw the effectiveness of the OL, no doubt he’d overrule any attempts to put Ford or Feliciano back in there. Expand I have the impression that Bobby Johnson is one of those position coaches who is very much "My Way or The Highway" as far as the blocking techniques he wants the OLmen to use. I thought Feliciano was one of "his guys" brought in from Oakland to teach his blocking techniques (at least he's better than Vlad Ducasse) but when I looked it up, it turns out that Bobby Johnson was actually the TE coach while he was with Oakland. Anyway, my impression is that Feliciano and Boettger demonstrate his desired get-nose-to-nose, flat technique better in practice and the fact that they get smoked too often in games ....well... Quote
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 1:53 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I noticed on that play Feliciano was in. Was wondering who he was playing for? Bates was there, was he in for Williams due to injury, Morse? Or was it at point they were playing some of the subs already? Expand He was an extra o lineman per Murphy on the call 3 1 1 Quote
MAJBobby Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 1:53 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I noticed on that play Feliciano was in. Was wondering who he was playing for? Bates was there, was he in for Williams due to injury, Morse? Or was it at point they were playing some of the subs already? Expand I think I saw him come in at times when they went heavy front. I will have to validate that and that it wasnt always Doyle. But I have been waiting since Felciano has been back to take over the LG spot, and hasnt happened always has been Boettger or Bates. On 1/17/2022 at 1:59 PM, NewEra said: Especially because Ike sucks. He’s worse than Mongo imo 💯 Expand Except he isnt. Felciano has been Horrible this year (with the weight loss aspect) and he wasnt good last year either Quote
MAJBobby Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 I also think watching Bates, I no longer have to address OG x2 at this point. Maybe still on OG needed but not two 1 Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) On 1/17/2022 at 7:23 PM, MAJBobby said: I think I saw him come in at times when they went heavy front. I will have to validate that and that it wasnt always Doyle. But I have been waiting since Felciano has been back to take over the LG spot, and hasnt happened always has been Boettger or Bates. Expand Doyle was obviously also in so unless Doyle was in as TE#2 and they also went with 6 O-lineman. Or maybe Knox was out and Doyle was only TE plus six lineman?? Or Williams was out? OK just read Yoloin's post above of the audio. Sounds like they went with 7 lineman. Edited January 17, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Quote
MAJBobby Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:43 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Doyle was obviously also in so unless Doyle was in as TE#2 and they also went with 6 O-lineman. Or maybe Knox was out and Doyle was only TE plus six lineman?? Or Williams was out? Expand Yeah not sure will have to eventually watch the game again focusing on OL and Numbers in. to see where and when Feliciano hit the field. Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:13 PM, YoloinOhio said: He was an extra o lineman per Murphy on the call Expand On 1/17/2022 at 7:45 PM, MAJBobby said: Yeah not sure will have to eventually watch the game again focusing on OL and Numbers in. to see where and when Feliciano hit the field. Expand Per Yoloin's post of the audio, they went with 7 lineman, normal five plus Mongo and Doyle. 1 Quote
NewEra Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:23 PM, MAJBobby said: I think I saw him come in at times when they went heavy front. I will have to validate that and that it wasnt always Doyle. But I have been waiting since Felciano has been back to take over the LG spot, and hasnt happened always has been Boettger or Bates. Except he isnt. Felciano has been Horrible this year (with the weight loss aspect) and he wasnt good last year either Expand Who ever said Mongo was good? Certainly not I. He’s always been a bum imo. I said better than Ike. Ike, like Mongo….,sucked both years as well Quote
ColoradoBills Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 2:13 PM, hondo in seattle said: This narrative is getting old. Regardless of what McD may have said to be polite to Bates, he's is not insane. I'm sure McD's intention was always to put his best five out there. I wonder if McD even decides the starting five. I would suspect that decision is Daboll's - with input from others. Expand I've said this a few times myself. Bobby Johnson and the Run and Pass Coordinators and Daboll are the guys deciding that. Of course they can be overruled by McDermott. Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:49 PM, NewEra said: Who ever said Mongo was good? Certainly not I. He’s always been a bum imo. I said better than Ike. Ike, like Mongo….,sucked both years as well Expand Thought he actually played better last year when he filled in for Morse at center for a few games. 1 Quote
MAJBobby Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:49 PM, NewEra said: Who ever said Mongo was good? Certainly not I. He’s always been a bum imo. I said better than Ike. Ike, like Mongo….,sucked both years as well Expand Ahhh mis-read and therefore misunderstood. I completely agree with you on both areas that Bates is better than both Ike and Mongo. And that Ike isnt good enough and why I think we needed two OGs in the offseason. Bates emergence now has me thinking I not longer need 2 starters, and With how WIlliams has been as well for the past 5 weeks I might not even need another OG starter, but I think I still would like to replace williams right now. On 1/17/2022 at 7:52 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Thought he actually played better last year when he filled in for Morse at center for a few games. Expand I thought he was fine at Center, and why I was ok with the re-signing to play Center as well. But this year he has highly regressed. Quote
NewEra Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:53 PM, MAJBobby said: Ahhh mis-read and therefore misunderstood. I completely agree with you on both areas that Bates is better than both Ike and Mongo. And that Ike isnt good enough and why I think we needed two OGs in the offseason. Bates emergence now has me thinking I not longer need 2 starters, and With how WIlliams has been as well for the past 5 weeks I might not even need another OG starter, but I think I still would like to replace williams right now. Expand Yeah, it’s been a roller coaster of play along the OL this year. We’ve lost a few games solely on the OL imo. I figured we needed 2 new guards and center (if Morse retired.) this coming offseason. Now I’m wondering if we can just run it back with the same 5 while drafting a future C and RG while plugging Bates in @ LG (we’ll have to resign him to do so, he’s a RFA). still unsure. Hopefully Beane gets it right. Quote
Bob in STL Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) On 1/17/2022 at 5:32 PM, Motorin' said: Ike is exactly what you want for a #3 or #4 OG, imo. Expand No he isn't. You want the #3 guard to be pushing the starters, if they get hurt or play poorly you want no drop off with #3 in there. Ike's run blocking is terrible. He is not athletic at all. For a #4 you want a guy that can also center and be versatile. Ike is not that either but Feliciano is. Ike can and should be upgraded and I would like to see the Bills find a stud OG in the next draft. Edited January 17, 2022 by Bob in STL Quote
Motorin' Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 8:02 PM, Bob in STL said: No he isn't. You want the #3 guard to be pushing the starters, if they get hurt or play poorly you want no drop off with #3 in there. Ike's run blocking is terrible. He is not athletic at all. For a #4 you want a guy that can also center and be versatile. Ike is not that either but Feliciano is. Ike can and should be upgraded and I would like to see the Bills find a stud OG in the next draft. Expand Fair enough. 1 Quote
NewEra Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:52 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Thought he actually played better last year when he filled in for Morse at center for a few games. Expand Agreed. I thought he was much better @ c than @ guard. If Morse does step away, I could see him taking over for a year, but in the ideal world as Bills fans, we won’t ever see Mongo on the field again, except celebrating after the SB. Mongo, if you’re reading this…..I think you’re a good dude and I’d walk down an alley with you any night…..but 17 is too valuable and your play just hasn’t been good enough 1 Quote
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