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On 1/16/2022 at 11:36 AM, RJ (not THAT RJ) said:

Mac never looked Off the safety… the contrast between that and how well Josh looked off the safety on the Sanders TD was blindingly obvious. And never mentioned by the broadcast crew. 

He also pump faked to the left for some reason instead of the right in man coverage.  If he pump fakes to the right that's pry a TD.

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On 1/16/2022 at 5:41 AM, george c said:

Definitely the greatest theft in Bills history, and ranks at the top of the NFL this year..

Meet my friend Taron Johnson.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Doc said:

I still don't think he ever looked back for the ball.  And he still caught it.  How can that happen?

I kept screaming that he didn't even look for the ball and still caught it like that...absolutely filthy disgusting play!:wub:

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9 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Meet my friend Taron Johnson.

 

 



That's a great INT with a heluva run back.. Lamar threw a bad pass here....   But it does not compare IMO to the Hydes INT. That was just a shocking "WTF just happened"  play. I watched it on TV and I thought New England had a sure 6 points.. My jaw dropped when I realized... no its was intercepted.  Best INT I have ever witnessed in 50+ years of being a Bills fan IMO.



 

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1 hour ago, ddaryl said:



That's a great INT with a heluva run back.. Lamar threw a bad pass here....   But it does not compare IMO to the Hydes INT. That was just a shocking "WTF just happened"  play. I watched it on TV and I thought New England had a sure 6 points.. My jaw dropped when I realized... no its was intercepted.  Best INT I have ever witnessed in 50+ years of being a Bills fan IMO.



 

Greatest or best? Best? Okay I won't argue.  It was a phenomenal defensive play, both mentally and physically 

 

Greatest? Johnson, hands down. Johnson won a tightly contested playoff game when the outcome hung in the balance.  Bills were going to beat the Patriots even if Hyde drops the ball.  

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1 hour ago, ddaryl said:



That's a great INT with a heluva run back.. Lamar threw a bad pass here....   But it does not compare IMO to the Hydes INT. That was just a shocking "WTF just happened"  play. I watched it on TV and I thought New England had a sure 6 points.. My jaw dropped when I realized... no its was intercepted.  Best INT I have ever witnessed in 50+ years of being a Bills fan IMO.



 

Plus this.  I saw it in the stadium, and when I saw Hyde break on the ball, I thought he had a shot to get there and make a play.  It wasn't some miracle.  He read the routes and Jones and made the right decision.  The catch was incredible, but the PBU would have been just a good safety doing his job.  

 

Plus, Jones hinges the ball in the air, and as others have said, he failed to look Hyde off.  It wasn't a great pass.  

 

However, for pure football beauty, it was an all-time great play.  

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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

It wasn't a great pass. 

However, for pure football beauty, it was an all-time great play.  


It was a sure fire TD if Hyde doesn't make it there.. SO I disagree. Its a game of inches 


But that is all I am really talking about. Just the sheer beauty of it... It stood out to me against all the rest....

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On 1/16/2022 at 1:45 AM, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

I live in Wisconsin. Packers fans constantly tell me how salty they are we stole Hyde from them . Amazing play

 

Do you tell them that we just paid him to come play here and that their team could have done the same if they wanted him? No theft involved.

 

On 1/16/2022 at 1:45 AM, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

 

 

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1 hour ago, ddaryl said:


It was a sure fire TD if Hyde doesn't make it there.. SO I disagree. Its a game of inches 


But that is all I am really talking about. Just the sheer beauty of it... It stood out to me against all the rest....

Yes, it was a sure fire TD, but it wasn't a great pass.  Jones's job is to evaluate the window and get the ball there before the window closes.   Either he didn't see Hyde at all, or he misjudged how long it would take Hyde to cover the ground.  Either way, Jones threw deep into double coverage when he wasn't supposed to.  That's on him, all day long.   It's his job to evaluate the situation.   Single coverage, yes, you take the chance.  Double coverage, no, unless you are sure, sure, you will get the ball there before the window closes.  

 

I was sitting in the stadium watching the ball, and it was in the air a LONG time.  Allen's touchdown to Sanders was the exact same distance in the same corner of the same end zone, and Hyde wouldn't have come within three strides of Allen's ball.   If Jones wants to be the man in the NFL, he has to throw the ball with more velocity.   If he can't throw it with any more velocity, then he has to know that he can't get that ball into that window.  As Clint Eastwood famously said, "a man's got to know his limitations." 

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37 minutes ago, skibum said:

Levi Wallace was burnt to a crisp on that play! He should give Hyde his game check. 

The more you look at the play, the worse it looks.  

 

Actually, however, I don't think it was as bad as it looked.   It's just one more example of why this defense, as this team understands and plays it, is so good.  

 

The thing to remember is that Wallace knows he has help over the top.  That allows him to overplay the shorter options.   Doesn't mean that a great corner doesn't recover - White probably would have been right there with Hyde, but I'd be Wallace played it as he was supposed to.  

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On 1/16/2022 at 11:36 AM, RJ (not THAT RJ) said:

Mac never looked Off the safety… the contrast between that and how well Josh looked off the safety on the Sanders TD was blindingly obvious. And never mentioned by the broadcast crew. 

 

Right. You can see Jones pretty much look at his receiver all the way (although I think his pump fake did slow the corner) while Allen looks to his right before going left to Sanders. The other differences between the two throws is how much more air Jones had to put under the ball and how much longer it took to get there.

 

Both throws were made from almost the same spot on the field and you can really see the difference when watching them back to back.

 

 

 

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I can see how Jones looking at Agholor, or at least in his direction, led Hyde to go that way.  Versus Josh looking right first and keeping the safety away.

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6 minutes ago, Doc said:

I can see how Jones looking at Agholor, or at least in his direction, led Hyde to go that way.  Versus Josh looking right first and keeping the safety away.

Very true, but also by my rough estimation looking at the video above Josh's ball gets there a full second faster. Mac's took three mississippis and Josh's took two mississippis.

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On 1/16/2022 at 10:48 AM, PatsFanNH said:

but damn that Hyde pick was a thing of beauty.. (now will come the 3 Bills fans to tell me it wasn’t it was all on Jones weak arm. Sad they can’t even take a complement to their best D player right now..)

 

I thought it was a good throw by Jones and if Hyde doesn't make a fantastic play, it is a TD. I also think Jones did a good job with the pump fake to slow the corner. But I also think he looked toward his receiver the whole time and put just a little too much air under the ball, allowing Hyde to get there in time. I actually am one who thinks Jones played well as a rookie and is going to be a good QB in this league. If you watch the throw from the endzone (All 22) you will see what I mean. A little harder throw and lower trajectory and Hyde doesn't get there. Like I said, I like Jones and it is a minor criticism regarding a couple things that, IMO, made the difference between it being a really good throw and being a great throw.

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12 hours ago, MJS said:

 

Do you tell them that we just paid him to come play here and that their team could have done the same if they wanted him? No theft involved.

 

 

 

True they are upset at the ineptitude of their front office, we did no wrong.

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9 hours ago, skibum said:

Levi Wallace was burnt to a crisp on that play! He should give Hyde his game check. 

Agholor should give Hyde his game check for saving him from another pride obliterating touchdown drop.  

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