Why so many tickets left?

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

You are premising your entire argument on the assumption that the primary objective of the franchise is to win games and championships.

 

What if it's to maximize profit?

 

There's the rub.

 

You think Pegula wants to spend $1 billion out of his own pocket to build a f-ing football stadium in Orchard Park, NY?

 

And that assumes the state will throw in another $500 million on top of it.

 

Domes are expensive.

 

 

Here the thing though. No one has priced exactly what a dome would cost. 

 

But we do know that an open air stadium with heated grass field, heated seats and a canopy over all seating areas is expected to run $1.4B.

 

Why not have some designs done of both and compare?

 

 

Edited January 14, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[Einstein]

31 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Maybe. But that picture looks like a packed house. 

 

You may want to see an optometrist.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

You may want to see an optometrist.

 

How do you look at those empty corners and think it's full? Talk about denial.

[What a Tuel]

5 hours ago, Rampage said:

The dome talk is nonsense. Imagine them sticking a dome over Lambeau? It’s embarrassing. These south and dome teams come up to Buffalo and don’t know what hit them. It’s removing an unmatched advantage.

 

Yeah, cause our roster is made up of people used to the cold, not players from all over the country.

 

Two times I can think of in the last two years weather has directly impacted Bills post season.

 

1st is the Chiefs game in the rain in 2020. 

 

Win the first chiefs game and the AFC Championship game is in Buffalo.

 

2nd time is Pats game in the wind in 2021.

 

Win the first Pats game and who knows what the post season gives but if we win and move on we go TO the chiefs again more than likely.

 

There are probably more. I never think "man Allen and team would be so much better here with some wind and snow"

Edited January 14, 2022 by What a Tuel

[4_kidd_4]

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[ArtVandalay]

5 hours ago, Rampage said:

The dome talk is nonsense. Imagine them sticking a dome over Lambeau? It’s embarrassing. These south and dome teams come up to Buffalo and don’t know what hit them. It’s removing an unmatched advantage.

Minnesota has a dome.

Indy has a dome.

 

Highmark does not have the cache of Lambeau lol

 

When fans can't be bothered to show up to the first capacity playoff game in 25 years vs a division rival in the Patriots... that's when it's time to build a dome... or not hack off 35%+ of your fanbase from attending. Either way. 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Minnesota has a dome.

Indy has a dome.

 

Highmark does not have the cache of Lambeau lol

 

When fans can't be bothered to show up to the first capacity playoff game in 25 years vs a division rival in the Patriots... that's when it's time to build a dome... or not hack off 35%+ of your fanbase from attending. Either way. 

 

Fans will show up. The stadium will be full Saturday. It's just some will have paid less for their tickets. What you won't see are any Patriots fans, which is kind of nice.

Edited January 14, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[mjd1001]

Throw me behind the lack of a dome and the weather.

Will the stand be full anyway? Probably yes.  But I can say for sure that if the stadium had a dome on it, the tickets would have gone a lot sooner, for a higher price, and a lot of games in the past decade that weren't sellouts would have been.

 

As as far as the 'real football is played outdoors' thing?  Not to me. The game is great as it is, there are so many complexities to the game without adding in weather.  Throw in weather and that is one outside factor added that can take away SO many of the pure aspects of the game.  The game is good enough as is in perfect conditions, I want to see the players play the purest form of the game between the lines without needing anything else impacting the game to take away from that.

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Minnesota has a dome.

Indy has a dome.

 

Highmark does not have the cache of Lambeau lol

 

When fans can't be bothered to show up to the first capacity playoff game in 25 years vs a division rival in the Patriots... that's when it's time to build a dome... or not hack off 35%+ of your fanbase from attending. Either way. 

Yep.  And those domes, with one exception, really helped both teams win Super Bowls, didn’t they?

 

One of the arguments for building a dome is all the extra events it could host.  I live outside Indy.  Lucas Oil doesn’t have many other events than football.  They have the high school championships for two days each fall, the FFA convention and monster truck rallies some years.  They get the combine but they’ve had that since before Lucas Oil.  They get the Big Ten championship on occasion and just got the Championship game.  They get the Final Four on occasion.  And that’s for a town known for its ability to host big events, that has the infrastructure with hotels, interconnected walkways to the convention center and Lucas Oil, etc. to bring these off.

 

Bukling a dome in Buffalo, unless you build the hotel structure and all other necessary components, won’t bring in many more events.  It would take decades to bring in the enhanced revenues to pay off the investment.

Edited January 14, 2022 by oldmanfan

[Jrb1979]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yep.  And those domes, with one exception, really helped both teams win Super Bowls, didn’t they?

 

One of the arguments for building a dome is all the extra events it could host.  I live outside Indy.  Lucas Oil doesn’t have many other events than football.  They have the high school championships for two days each fall, the FFA convention and monster truck rallies some years.  They get the combine but they’ve had that since before Lucas Oil.  They get the Big Ten championship on occasion and just got the Championship game.  They get the Final Four on occasion.  And that’s for a town known for its ability to host big events, that has the infrastructure with hotels, interconnected walkways to the convention center and Lucas Oil, etc. to bring these off.

 

Bukling a dome in Buffalo, unless you build the hotel structure and all other necessary components, won’t bring in many more events.  It would take decades to bring in the enhanced revenues to pay off the investment.

Not if you add PSL's. Let the season ticket holders pay for it. 

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Will there still be a bunch of inebriated biys with their shirts off?

 

I remember during the superbowl years at one of the playoff games people went shirtless into a hot tub in front of the stadium.  People are crazy lol.

[1stgm1993]

32 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Throw me behind the lack of a dome and the weather.

Will the stand be full anyway? Probably yes.  But I can say for sure that if the stadium had a dome on it, the tickets would have gone a lot sooner, for a higher price, and a lot of games in the past decade that weren't sellouts would have been.

 

As as far as the 'real football is played outdoors' thing?  Not to me. The game is great as it is, there are so many complexities to the game without adding in weather.  Throw in weather and that is one outside factor added that can take away SO many of the pure aspects of the game.  The game is good enough as is in perfect conditions, I want to see the players play the purest form of the game between the lines without needing anything else impacting the game to take away from that.

 'real football is played outdoors' thing?  this is what always gets me if the weather is so much to football then why does the super bowl always have to be someplace where the weather is pretty much perfect for the game.  the biggest game that should be played in the "football weather" get this nice beautiful weather. 

[Conlan58]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I realize that many people mock dome threads - myself included - but I generally like the discussion that ensues.

 

I hope the mods don’t start locking them all. They’re a good time.

Agreed. I put my 2 cents in shortly after my joking comment. I would love to see a dome. In the span of one season, I could have potentially gone to two games with about 100-130 degrees Fahrenheit difference (including forecasted wind chill) between the preseason packers game and this weekends game. 

 

And for the record, I had my whole family with me for the packers game, but we left at halftime because it was just miserable. 

 

Not only would my wife and kids have had a much more enjoyable preseason experience in a dome, but we would all be posted up in a hotel by now deciding whether to hit bar bills or duffs first, and we would be at the game this weekend in full force.

 

I am all for a dome. 

[Figster]

28 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yep.  And those domes, with one exception, really helped both teams win Super Bowls, didn’t they?

 

One of the arguments for building a dome is all the extra events it could host.  I live outside Indy.  Lucas Oil doesn’t have many other events than football.  They have the high school championships for two days each fall, the FFA convention and monster truck rallies some years.  They get the combine but they’ve had that since before Lucas Oil.  They get the Big Ten championship on occasion and just got the Championship game.  They get the Final Four on occasion.  And that’s for a town known for its ability to host big events, that has the infrastructure with hotels, interconnected walkways to the convention center and Lucas Oil, etc. to bring these off.

 

Bukling a dome in Buffalo, unless you build the hotel structure and all other necessary components, won’t bring in many more events.  It would take decades to bring in the enhanced revenues to pay off the investment.

Myself personally, I think Buffalo becomes a much easier sell on the FA market when you can provide star athletes a controlled environment to play in 8 games out of the season.  The Bills like to throw the football. Wind, rain and snow favors a good run game. It becomes magnified at a critical point in the season at OP. Home games in the playoffs are lucrative. Championships are lucrative. If the Bills had a Dome fans would be scrambling to find tickets Saturday night IMO. 

 

I've heard comments like so we build a Dome for one guy, Josh Allen. How much did we just pay this one guy? The teams not worth it? The fans aren't worth it? Winning Championships is not worth it???

 

We need to find a way...  

[jimmy10]

I think a lot of the surplus is because of high expectations on the part of the resellers. 
 

This is our first ever postseason game, so before we even knew the schedule or forecast we decided to spring for club seats and do it up. 
 

Once the forecast and market became clear I adjusted the price on my regular seats to just a tick above face value (lower bowl corner) just to get my money back, and they sold in less than 12 hours. 

[ArtVandalay]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Yep.  And those domes, with one exception, really helped both teams win Super Bowls, didn’t they?

 

One of the arguments for building a dome is all the extra events it could host.  I live outside Indy.  Lucas Oil doesn’t have many other events than football.  They have the high school championships for two days each fall, the FFA convention and monster truck rallies some years.  They get the combine but they’ve had that since before Lucas Oil.  They get the Big Ten championship on occasion and just got the Championship game.  They get the Final Four on occasion.  And that’s for a town known for its ability to host big events, that has the infrastructure with hotels, interconnected walkways to the convention center and Lucas Oil, etc. to bring these off.

 

Bukling a dome in Buffalo, unless you build the hotel structure and all other necessary components, won’t bring in many more events.  It would take decades to bring in the enhanced revenues to pay off the investment.

How many super bowls have the Bills won with their outdoor advantage?

Edited January 14, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Wow. Some people can’t admit they’re wrong even when faced with indisputable evidence.

 

That is no where near packed.

 

The game was going to be blacked out (yes, a playoff game, blacked out).

 

The NFL had to give the Bills 2 extensions past the usual cutoff in order to find six different companies in the area that would purchase several thousand seats in order to lift the blackout.

 

In the end, 18,101 seats were empty. Thats nearly 25% of the stadium - empty.  

 

 

 

 

 

It was not almost filled. There were over 18,000 empty seats and that was even AFTER companies bought several thousand seafs.

Just going by that picture.. literally only the corners of the end zones look empty

 

Picture makes it look packed absolutely

 

And 62,000 still showed up to the game.. it's not a bad crowd in Sub-Zero temperature

 

Again the bills will be in trouble if 40,000 show up.. anything over 60,000 in that weather is not bad 

 

We had 69,000 at the Patriots game in terrible weather.. we're getting 65,000 plus to show up

Edited January 14, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

The fans want a dome.

 

The PEGULAS don't want to pay for it. But instead of owning it, the Pegulas like to say that the "city and fans don't want it". 

 

That's what's really going on. 

Bills Actually did a poll and it was not overwhelming dome 

 

Pretty sure that open air even edged out dome barley 

 

It was given to season ticket holders

Edited January 14, 2022 by Buffalo716

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Fans will show up. The stadium will be full Saturday. It's just some will have paid less for their tickets. What you won't see are any Patriots fans, which is kind of nice.

 

How can you be sure about Pats fans not showing?

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, inaugural balls said:

 

How can you be sure about Pats fans not showing?

 

 

 

I can't be 100% certain. But the fact ticket prices crashed is partly due to Pats fans not travelling to this game. Maybe the cheap prices convinced a few to go. We'll see.