Dolphins fire Brian Flores

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This really makes you wonder who Lombardi’s source is.  Flores had a reputation as being tough but not abusive toward his players.  If he said that I’d like to know the context.  He could have said it as a joke and patted him on the back.  Still probably not the best think to joke about… but I can’t see him saying this seriously 

I suppose it would of been a pretty clear joke if he said after any of the Patriot games.

[Inigo Montoya]

 

Dear Coach Flores,

 

Please accept this gift in the spirit it is offered.

 

Your Friend,

 

Inigo Montoya

 

 

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

AND he wanted to pick Herbert.

 

This is what happens when your HC is micro-managed.

True, but there are also many times I'm sure where the head coach gets the reigns and just messes everything up lol.

 

Chip Kelly comes to mind, Rhule so far in Carolina. Plenty more.

 

In this instance, yes it certainly backfired hard on the Dolphins 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Hard nosed coach motivating a player is likely, if it is to believed to start with. And, what was the context? Hurt feelings in that business should mean very little.

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Hard nosed coach motivating a player is likely, if it is to believed to start with. And, what was the context? Hurt feelings in that business should mean very little.

Did this happen before they won 8 of 9, I'm guessing it did.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

There was another report that Flores is the kind of person to walk past his players in the facility and not just not say hello to them but pretty much not even notice them as if they weren't even there.  

[ghostwriter]

9 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

AND he wanted to pick Herbert.

 

This is what happens when your HC is micro-managed.

The AFC East would of been a different story with Herbert as Miami’s starting QB.

[msw2112]

1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Dear Coach Flores,

 

Please accept this gift in the spirit it is offered.

 

Your Friend,

 

Inigo Montoya

 

 

 

This book is obviously outdated in some ways, but its basic premises remain valid after all these years.  Several years ago, when I was in my first management position, I read this and did a "book club" with my team using this book.  It's a classic that is still relevant.  I hope it has helped me "win friends" and "influence people" here on TBD, but I am not holding my breath on that.

[Mr. WEO]

Tua to Flores: "and I want some extra ketchups for those fries, chief"

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

The AFC East would of been a different story with Herbert as Miami’s starting QB.

Who knows. If Herbert goes to Miami where the owner and/or GM didn't want him, maybe he'd be just as screwed.

[ArtVandalay]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Can you blame Flores? Taking Tua over Herbert could go down as one of biggest draft blunders of all time.  

Much like Mayfield, Darnold, or B Chubb (Denver) over Allen.

 

I love it that Jets fans have to know they passed on Allen every time we face them. 

[msw2112]

As stated above, Tua in New England may be as good or better than Mac Jones.  Neither can or will hold a candle to Josh.

 

Herbert is far better than Tua and Jones and while I prefer Allen to Herbert, Herbert at least has the talent and potential to be in the conversation.  Allen remains the prefect fit for Buffalo.

[1ManRaid]

Apparently this was already debunked, as putting the words in Flores' mouth as a hypothetical?

[BuffaloBill]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Tua was "so bad" that he won 8 of his last 9 games.

 

 

This is what surprised me, I thought maybe Flores won enough over the back half of the season to keep his job.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Much like Mayfield, Darnold, or B Chubb (Denver) over Allen.

 

I love it that Jets fans have to know they passed on Allen every time we face them. 

 

I work with a podiatrist who is a Jets fan, and so is his son.  He knows I'm a huge Bills fan and I was talking to him about Allen a few months back, sometime after Darnold was with the Panthers.  He was saying he was lamenting to his son that the Jets could have had Allen instead and he said his son said to him "yeah, but dad, the Jets would have ruined him also."

 

 

[1ManRaid]

23 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

The owner likes Tua. It appears Flores didn't.

 

Per Lombardi “Remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, hey, if I’d have knew you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones. That’s the conversation.”

 

I kinda feel bad for Tua as he may not be a great QB .. but that is harsh

 

Full story here:

https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2022/01/brian-flores-told-tua-tagovailoa-he-should-have-picked-patriots-qb-mac-jones-instead-per-michael-lombardi.html

 

 

Already debunked by Lombardi himself.

 

 

[BrooklynBills]

1. Lombardi already has had to come out and say that this is not something that Flores said to Tua.

 

2. Both Omar Kelly and Amando Salguero (long time Dolphins beat reporters) have said that if Flores preferred Herbert that the Dolphins would have drafted him and that at the time of Tua's drafting that all 3 (Flores, Grier, Ross) were on board with drafting Tua. It wasn't until after Flores began to work with Tua that soured on him as a player.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Good point for Flores: He knows a lousy QB when he sees one.

Bad point for Flores: He cannot recognize a one read rubber arm QB.

 

Good news for Bills: Dolphins in QB purgatory..and this usually lasts for years unless you tank.

[BuffaloRebound]

6 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Much like Mayfield, Darnold, or B Chubb (Denver) over Allen.

 

I love it that Jets fans have to know they passed on Allen every time we face them. 

Allen probably would’ve been ruined on the Jets.  And Allen had a lot more questions heading into the draft than Herbert.  Heck, I bet Beane would’ve taken Darnold over Allen at the time.  Tua and Herbert was definitely more of a debate and Dolphins failed in that decision miserably.  

[Nextmanup]

12 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

There was another report that Flores is the kind of person to walk past his players in the facility and not just not say hello to them but pretty much not even notice them as if they weren't even there.  

Retired NHL players talk about that sort of thing all the time.  20 or 30 years ago, I guess almost ALL NHL coaches were like that.  They treated players poorly and ruled through fear.  

 

For a long time now (at least 10 years) players talk about how you simply can't coach that way anymore.  The players these days have been stars since they were 10 years old and expect to be treated like stars...and they will simply tune out any coach who coaches in the old school style.

The buzz word describing a good coach now is "communicator" and "knows how to work with young players."

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Can you blame Flores? Taking Tua over Herbert could go down as one of biggest draft blunders of all time.  

 

Doesn't that go to the GM's account?  Did he get fired too?

 

And with that 20/20 hindsight thing going on....Darnold ahead of Allen isn't looking too smart