Questions Surrounding a New Stadium in OP .

[klos63]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Thats why dome here doesn't even make much sense 

 

We only have so many beautiful days a year here in Buffalo I don't want to spend my few nice Sundays in a dome... To be honest 

 

When it gets to December January I will brave it out

retractable dome. Only used in the worst weather.

[mjd1001]

16 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

That has nothing to do with what is pure or not in the game of football

 

What's pure in football is tackling running coaching catching and execution 

 

And nothing is more pure than seeing that happen to perfection like on Saturday outside in winter 

 

It's Pure magic which makes football the best sport in the world

Wrong.

Pure football is seeing every single thing that players and coaches are capable of doing on the field.

You say tackling, running, coaching and execution are what is pure football? Well Duh, welcome to my original point, although I think you missed a big one in their called 'passing' that in todays modern game teams kinda like to do.

In bad weather games, those things become very limited, VERY limited.  Coaches run a much different/more limited game plan, Running on a snow covered field can be 25% slower (if not more) and you can't see the players make cuts or moves as well. Passing, it can be VERY limited on a windy day.

Pure football? To me that is seeing everything that each and every player have to offer at 100% of their ability to exeucute.  I'm not sure exactly what you consider as pure football, because it appears that doesn't involve passing the ball.

[SoCal Deek]

13 hours ago, klos63 said:

retractable dome. Only used in the worst weather.

A retractable dome is yesterday's solution, and quite frankly a little used expense. It was a beautiful day in Dallas last weekend and yet they still kept the roof shut.  They now have the glazing technology to create an outdoor experience while sitting indoors. Go to Minnesota or Los Angeles.  You'll swear you're sitting outside.

[Lost]

Am I the only one that appreciates the low profile aesthetic of the current Highmark stadium?  Symmetrical with plenty of sunlight from all directions covering the field,  as opposed to stadiums like MetLife that stand like 30 stories high and you end up with half the field covered in shadow during day games.   Allegiant and Sofi stadiums are pretty damn impressive for domes though.  

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

Wrong.

Pure football is seeing every single thing that players and coaches are capable of doing on the field.

You say tackling, running, coaching and execution are what is pure football? Well Duh, welcome to my original point, although I think you missed a big one in their called 'passing' that in todays modern game teams kinda like to do.

In bad weather games, those things become very limited, VERY limited.  Coaches run a much different/more limited game plan, Running on a snow covered field can be 25% slower (if not more) and you can't see the players make cuts or moves as well. Passing, it can be VERY limited on a windy day.

Pure football? To me that is seeing everything that each and every player have to offer at 100% of their ability to exeucute.  I'm not sure exactly what you consider as pure football, because it appears that doesn't involve passing the ball.

Pure football is not in a dome end of discussion

 

I've played coached and scouted for 30 plus years and I've never heard anybody around the game say that pure football has to be played in a dome

 

And Josh allen threw the ball pretty damn well Saturday night .. and I've seen a lot of quarterbacks throw well in not great conditions 

 

And I included catching in pure football so throwing is obviously included.. it's part of execution  in bad weather.. that's what makes it grand .. it's a beautiful sport

 

We just saw a perfect performance in -5°.. the weather didn't effect Josh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2022 by Buffalo716

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I hope the old Bills fans on this board have moved away from Buffalo to a warmer climate.

 

When your old, living in a warmer climate can greatly increase the quality of your life 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I hope the old Bills fans on this board have moved away from Buffalo to a warmer climate.

 

When your old, living in a warmer climate can greatly increase the quality of your life 

UGA victory, Braves win. Just waiting on the Bills for a trifecta.

[Rochesterfan]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

A retractable dome is yesterday's solution, and quite frankly a little used expense. It was a beautiful day in Dallas last weekend and yet they still kept the roof shut.  They now have the glazing technology to create an outdoor experience while sitting indoors. Go to Minnesota or Los Angeles.  You'll swear you're sitting outside.

 

Exactly - we went through the retractable roofs and even in good weather they are never open.  Atlanta built that weird roof and it is always closed.  Dallas, Houston, Indy - are they ever open for a game.

 

Retractable roof is just a waste.  The new material is so much better and let’s in natural light.  Give me that 100%.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Exactly - we went through the retractable roofs and even in good weather they are never open.  Atlanta built that weird roof and it is always closed.  Dallas, Houston, Indy - are they ever open for a game.

 

Retractable roof is just a waste.  The new material is so much better and let’s in natural light.  Give me that 100%.

And you'll recall the NFL went through the teflon dome phase (Pontiac Dome, Metrodome, Carrier Dome). That was until the Metrodome failed under a heavy snow load.

[QCity]

It's becoming evident to me that this discussion is solely about getting old. I'm sorry we're all getting old. You probably can't eat all the delicious, greasy food that you could decades ago. Your doctor and wife won't let you. You certainly can't pound booze all night and jump out of bed the next day like you did in your 20's. And maybe outdoor January football in Orchard Park is just another casualty of war. Society in general will try to accommodate you as much as possible, but we're not building a stadium tailored to your needs that you won't even be alive for in 15-20 years.

 

We may have just saw the greatest performance by a BIlls' QB in franchise history last week. Your dome arguments have more holes than the Patriots defense.

 

You're not getting a dome. You're not. You can choose to whine about until you die, or just accept reality and admit you might not be able to enjoy some things you did years ago.

 

 

“It is my single favorite thing I’ve maybe ever seen an athlete do”

-Jim Nantz on a shirtless Ryan Fitzpatrick

 

 

[klos63]

4 hours ago, QCity said:

It's becoming evident to me that this discussion is solely about getting old. I'm sorry we're all getting old. You probably can't eat all the delicious, greasy food that you could decades ago. Your doctor and wife won't let you. You certainly can't pound booze all night and jump out of bed the next day like you did in your 20's. And maybe outdoor January football in Orchard Park is just another casualty of war. Society in general will try to accommodate you as much as possible, but we're not building a stadium tailored to your needs that you won't even be alive for in 15-20 years.

 

We may have just saw the greatest performance by a BIlls' QB in franchise history last week. Your dome arguments have more holes than the Patriots defense.

 

You're not getting a dome. You're not. You can choose to whine about until you die, or just accept reality and admit you might not be able to enjoy some things you did years ago.

 

 

“It is my single favorite thing I’ve maybe ever seen an athlete do”

-Jim Nantz on a shirtless Ryan Fitzpatrick

 

 

What a dick you are.  I don't live in Buffalo anymore so your argument means nothing to me personally. It's not about comfort for fans, it's about not having the game affected by the weather.  The Colts snow game, while fun, was awful. Great to win, horrible to lose in those conditions. A loss there and no playoffs.  Same with the windy NE game. That could have been a critical loss. Any fan knows it's not about the temperature but the wind.

You make a case about ageism that doesn't exist here. It's about weather adversely affecting the game. 

Yes, me and a bunch of others on this site may not be around in 20 years, but that's not the point either. 

[TheFunPolice]

21 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

A retractable dome is yesterday's solution, and quite frankly a little used expense. It was a beautiful day in Dallas last weekend and yet they still kept the roof shut.  They now have the glazing technology to create an outdoor experience while sitting indoors. Go to Minnesota or Los Angeles.  You'll swear you're sitting outside.

 

When I was watching the Rams game I noticed the flags on the goalposts blowing in the breeze and said "wait, don't they have a dome?" 

 

As anti-dome as I am, something like that would be pretty cool, but it's way too expensive for the Bills to absorb. We would get an airplane hangar that looks and feels awful due to the cost, IMO anyway. 

[K-9]

12 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

When I was watching the Rams game I noticed the flags on the goalposts blowing in the breeze and said "wait, don't they have a dome?" 

 

As anti-dome as I am, something like that would be pretty cool, but it's way too expensive for the Bills to absorb. We would get an airplane hangar that looks and feels awful due to the cost, IMO anyway. 

They have a roof, but the stadium is not enclosed. It’s open air. 

[TheFunPolice]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

They have a roof, but the stadium is not enclosed. It’s open air. 

 

I didn't realize that... That is pretty cool!

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

What a dick you are.  I don't live in Buffalo anymore so your argument means nothing to me personally. It's not about comfort for fans, it's about not having the game affected by the weather.  The Colts snow game, while fun, was awful. Great to win, horrible to lose in those conditions. A loss there and no playoffs.  Same with the windy NE game. That could have been a critical loss. Any fan knows it's not about the temperature but the wind.

You make a case about ageism that doesn't exist here. It's about weather adversely affecting the game. 

Yes, me and a bunch of others on this site may not be around in 20 years, but that's not the point either. 

You're not being honest with yourself. It's all about comfort for the fans. And the age argument exists, evidenced by the continuous posts in this thread alone from older fans who don't want to sit in the elements anymore.

 

This is not about the game or the players, for multiple reasons, but the mere truth is that this game has always been played outdoors where we've witnessed the greatest players thrive and break records. We just witnessed the most perfect offensive game in NFL history in an outdoor stadium. We've recorded the loudest crowd decibel levels in outdoor stadiums. And these events will continue to take place in outdoor stadiums.

[Lost]

On 1/20/2022 at 2:06 PM, SoCal Deek said:

A retractable dome is yesterday's solution, and quite frankly a little used expense. It was a beautiful day in Dallas last weekend and yet they still kept the roof shut.  They now have the glazing technology to create an outdoor experience while sitting indoors. Go to Minnesota or Los Angeles.  You'll swear you're sitting outside.

 

I agree with this sentiment.   If you're building a roof over your stadium just make it stationary and use the translucent roof tiles.   I'm not really a fan of the roll out grass fields in the dome stadiums either.   If you want a dome for your team just go with turf.   

[FLFan]

On 1/20/2022 at 1:54 PM, mjd1001 said:

Wrong.

Pure football is seeing every single thing that players and coaches are capable of doing on the field.

You say tackling, running, coaching and execution are what is pure football? Well Duh, welcome to my original point, although I think you missed a big one in their called 'passing' that in todays modern game teams kinda like to do.

In bad weather games, those things become very limited, VERY limited.  Coaches run a much different/more limited game plan, Running on a snow covered field can be 25% slower (if not more) and you can't see the players make cuts or moves as well. Passing, it can be VERY limited on a windy day.

Pure football? To me that is seeing everything that each and every player have to offer at 100% of their ability to exeucute.  I'm not sure exactly what you consider as pure football, because it appears that doesn't involve passing the ball.

I get your point.  You are just wrong.  Move to LA.

[SoMAn]

On 1/7/2022 at 10:41 AM, T master said:

With all the talk of a new stadium coming to OP in the not to distant future and all that comes with it i was wondering a couple of things about the build .

 

I watched a piece on Buffalo Bills .com that showed the room that controls the big screens at the field now & seeing the recent renovations at the stadium was wondering if any of that newer equipment might be taken from the old stadium & used in the new one to off set some of the pricing of the new build or will they just junk that & go with all brand new in the box stuff ?

 

I know that the things that have been there for the entirety or the life of the stadium will be tossed but i would think that there may be some things that could do the same job especially if it is newer equipment but knowing how today's world works with tech changing so fast i'm not real sure if it will be used.

 

The stadium now has the 2 big screens at the one end of the field and they were recently upgraded couldn't they be used ? Then there may be some of the vendors equipment that if not very old that could be moved to the new stadium like the lights that keep food warm & such .

 

Then there are things like the goal posts & other stuff used to put on the on field presentation and the benches with the helmet warmers & all that kind of stuff .

 

I know there will be those that say that this is a brand new stadium & would want all brand new gear to go with it but was just wondering if this is even a consideration at all to possibly curb a small amount of the over all cost rather than just demoing the entire thing & putting it in a land fill ...

 

On 1/7/2022 at 10:41 AM, T master said:

With all the talk of a new stadium coming to OP in the not to distant future and all that comes with it i was wondering a couple of things about the build .

 

I watched a piece on Buffalo Bills .com that showed the room that controls the big screens at the field now & seeing the recent renovations at the stadium was wondering if any of that newer equipment might be taken from the old stadium & used in the new one to off set some of the pricing of the new build or will they just junk that & go with all brand new in the box stuff ?

 

I know that the things that have been there for the entirety or the life of the stadium will be tossed but i would think that there may be some things that could do the same job especially if it is newer equipment but knowing how today's world works with tech changing so fast i'm not real sure if it will be used.

 

The stadium now has the 2 big screens at the one end of the field and they were recently upgraded couldn't they be used ? Then there may be some of the vendors equipment that if not very old that could be moved to the new stadium like the lights that keep food warm & such .

 

Then there are things like the goal posts & other stuff used to put on the on field presentation and the benches with the helmet warmers & all that kind of stuff .

 

I know there will be those that say that this is a brand new stadium & would want all brand new gear to go with it but was just wondering if this is even a consideration at all to possibly curb a small amount of the over all cost rather than just demoing the entire thing & putting it in a land fill ...

This sounds so Buffalo. Let’s be thrifty and repurpose our old crap!! It still has a few good years. 
 

when they build a new stadium, they’re not going to re-use old video screens and piss troughs from Rich Stadium days. 

 

anything that can be re-used will likely be auctioned off or donated for future use by a small college or high school. And they’ll probably have to uninstall, transport, and re-install at their own expense before the stadium is imploded.  

[klos63]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

You're not being honest with yourself. It's all about comfort for the fans. And the age argument exists, evidenced by the continuous posts in this thread alone from older fans who don't want to sit in the elements anymore.

 

This is not about the game or the players, for multiple reasons, but the mere truth is that this game has always been played outdoors where we've witnessed the greatest players thrive and break records. We just witnessed the most perfect offensive game in NFL history in an outdoor stadium. We've recorded the loudest crowd decibel levels in outdoor stadiums. And these events will continue to take place in outdoor stadiums.

My position on a stadium and all new stadiums is retractable dome, and ONLY closed for real insane weather. Like when the game is delayed for lightening, or 50 mph winds. Games like last week should be outdoors. 

And he was being a dick.

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