Wonderlic Test Eliminated from Pre-Draft Process

[Wayne Cubed]

 

AP Article:

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-e786d7cb0c9903cd7936c1a2118b2f7b?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP_NFL&utm_source=Twitter

 

That's kind of crazy. Always used to make for some very interesting discussions.

[Virgil]

Lamar Jackson have a vote in this?

[RyanC883]

totally ridiculous.  

 

Can teams have players take them during a pre-draft visit?  

[Arkady Renko]

Remember that Wrong Josh (Josh Allen) got a higher Wonderlic than Right Josh (Josh Rosen) despite Right Josh being a "deeper thinker." 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Arkady Renko
Clarifying "Wrong Josh"

[Wayne Cubed]

There's some other interesting changes to the combine from the AP Article. WRs will no longer run a wheel route, instead they will run crossing routes. Running backs will run option routes instead of corner or post-corner routes. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Joe Judge's rant the other day was 'the last straw'?

[transient]

On a related note, commentators will no longer be allowed to point out that Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

What’s the reason for it being eliminated?

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

What’s the reason for it being eliminated?

 

Doesn't say in AP article.  Could be a couple things, maybe they don't think it's needed to determine good football players. Maybe they think it can have negative impact on how a player is viewed? Like that the player isn't very intelligent?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

totally ridiculous.  

 

Can teams have players take them during a pre-draft visit?  

 

From taking the Wonderlic samples available online, it struck me as really a kind of “SAT lite”.    Players who were specifically coached for it and academically successful would do well, and players who were not coached for it and not particularly academically successful would not, but it really wouldn’t test the football smarts and football-specific memory teams really care about.  

 

Teams would be better served by having the players watch a film clip while coaches explain what they should key on to know their role and responsibility, have a play or two charted and explained, and then go back and re-watch the film after some questions and ask them to chart the play to see what they recall.

 

The key to me is promising big fines and loss of picks to ####### FO that ask players ridiculous questions like “is your mother a prostitute?” or “what’s your sexual preference, are you gay?” Or .doing bogus stuff like grabbing a players wrist and saying “I’ll be able to tell if you’re lying from your pulse, do you smoke pot?  Oh, you’re lying, I can feel your pulse”. 

 

I think they’ve decided (and took long enough) that Wonderlic really doesn’t have a lot of bearing on a player’s football success, so why do it?

 

5 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Joe Judge's rant the other day was 'the last straw'?

 

??

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said:

Remember that Wrong Josh got a higher Wonderlic than Right Josh despite Right Josh being a "deeper thinker." 

No, Allen higher...at least according to this:

Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs

Josh Allen: 37

Josh Rosen: 29

Sam Darnold: 28

Baker Mayfield: 25

Lamar Jackson: 13

 

[maddenboy]

I dont like how Florio states his opinion here as if it were fact.  Stating that the wonderlic is irrelevant.  That's a stupid statement in itself.

 

There's 32 teams and lots of personnel on each team.  How can he possibly know how it is used.  

 

I disagree that it is irrelevant.  But if teams use it wrongly, that's better for the teams that use it correctly.  I think what he NFL is after here, is (1) stopping the scores from leaking and (2) possible liability later, for leaked scores.  Especially if there are statements regarding confidentiality that the nfl makes to the test takers.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

??

NJ.com

'Giants’ Joe Judge goes on long, angry rant after 29-3 loss to Bears: ‘This ain’t some clown show’ | Everything he said'.

*
Seemed a long meandering James Joycean 'stream of consciousness' monologue.

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Arkady Renko]

2 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

No, Allen higher...at least according to this:

Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs

Josh Allen: 37

Josh Rosen: 29

Sam Darnold: 28

Baker Mayfield: 25

Lamar Jackson: 13

 

Josh Allen was the Wrong Josh.  

[Nextmanup]

Say what you want, some of these guys with really low Wonderlic scores have to be straight up, outrageously, stupid, on a world class level.

 

Have a look at a sample wonderlic test some time.

 

Here's part of the Wonderlic:

 

Q: Hard is to Soft, as:

 

A) light is to long

B) fat is to tall

C) wet is to dry

D) fast is to soft

3 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said:

Josh Allen was the Wrong Josh.  

I was utterly OUTRAGED the moment the announced Josh ALLEN and it wasn't Josh ROSEN.

 

The only 2 guys I did NOT want were Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.

 

😯

[Boatdrinks]

NFL is a microcosm of what’s happening in society in general ; eliminate all standards. Not surprising, and neither is a media type like Florio championing the decision. 

[Purplebulldog]

At least Vince Young will have a forever NFL record!

[TheBrownBear]

16 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

No, Allen higher...at least according to this:

Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs

Josh Allen: 37

Josh Rosen: 29

Sam Darnold: 28

Baker Mayfield: 25

Lamar Jackson: 13

 

(Guy who failed the Wonderlic)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

No, Allen higher...at least according to this:

Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs

Josh Allen: 37

Josh Rosen: 29

Sam Darnold: 28

Baker Mayfield: 25

Lamar Jackson: 13

 

 

27 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

I dont like how Florio states his opinion here as if it were fact.  Stating that the wonderlic is irrelevant.  That's a stupid statement in itself.

 

There's 32 teams and lots of personnel on each team.  How can he possibly know how it is used.  

 

I disagree that it is irrelevant.  But if teams use it wrongly, that's better for the teams that use it correctly.  I think what he NFL is after here, is (1) stopping the scores from leaking and (2) possible liability later, for leaked scores.  Especially if there are statements regarding confidentiality that the nfl makes to the test takers.

 

So just look at the data above.  Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are arguably the two best QB from the draft class - Lamar has already won league MVP and whether or not we agree, is heading to the pro bowl again.  The Ravens have been a playoff team Jackson’s first 3 seasons, and arguably would be one again if Jackson didn’t miss 4 games from week 15 to 17.

 

Next would be Baker Mayfield.  The Browns were a playoff team last year and arguably would be one again if Mayfield weren’t hurt.

 

Sam Darnold has been able to see the field in the NFL, albeit neither his TD to INT ratio, his completion %, nor his YPG look particularly promising.

Josh Rosen looks like a flat-out first-round Bust.

 

So being a Buffalo homer and ranking the QB in order of team contribution, we have  37-13-25-28-29

 

I don’t think you need an advanced stats degree to conclude that there isn’t a correlation between Wonderlic and football contribution.

[stosh64]

1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

AP Article:

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-e786d7cb0c9903cd7936c1a2118b2f7b?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP_NFL&utm_source=Twitter

 

That's kind of crazy. Always used to make for some very interesting discussions.

Did the NFL deem it 'racist'?