In defense of Josh 3 pix and low qbr

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Another example yet again why QBR is in fact not garbage like most seem to think. People always pointing out those odd and rare examples where scrub QB with 100 yards passing has a better QBR then the guy with 300 yards and 3 TD's. When really those are just exceptions to the norm. And we get easily just as many crazy instances where passer rating does not show the true picture of a QB's performance. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

I dont blame Allen for a single one of his INT's.

 

INT 1 - Tipped.

INT 2 - WR Interfered with

INT 3- Tipped.

 

The first one is on definitely on Allen. Tip balls lead to INTs. Not all the time but it increases the chance for one. Allen forced a ball he shouldn't have. 

 

The second tipped ball INT wasn't a force throw by Allen. So either a great defensive play or ball that Allen just didn't quite put high enough. 

[JESSEFEFFER]

2 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

I like traditional QB rating when it makes Josh look good.  I prefer QBR in situations like this where it makes Josh look better.  

Exactly.  

[Einstein]

17 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

The first one is on definitely on Allen. Tip balls lead to INTs. Not all the time but it increases the chance for one. Allen forced a ball he shouldn't have. 

 

The second tipped ball INT wasn't a force throw by Allen. So either a great defensive play or ball that Allen just didn't quite put high enough. 

 

Many of Allen’s TD’s are forced throws. If that ball wasn’t tipped, it may have been a TD. No way to know.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

I dont blame Allen for a single one of his INT's.

 

INT 1 - Tipped.

INT 2 - WR Interfered with

INT 3- Tipped.

 

Not disagreeing, but shouldn't a QB be able to avoid 2 tipped passes that go for INT's, esp. one who is JA's height?  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

33 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Many of Allen’s TD’s are forced throws. If that ball wasn’t tipped, it may have been a TD. No way to know.

 

And he gets credit when they are TD's and credit when they are INTs. I don't see a problem with that. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I don’t feel the need to constantly sugar coat things or try to massage Josh’s ego. Bad games are inevitably going to happen and there are going to be times where he doesn’t play well.

 

Sunday was one of those days. He tried forcing some throws and they didn’t work. That’s what happens when you have a guy with his arm and mentality. It’s great when it works but sucks when it doesn’t. It’s going to work a lot more than it doesn’t. 

But they werent flat out bad throws, 2 tipped and one was a penelty, if not you at least have to agree the wr was blocked/slowed down. It was a bad game. But he still scored two rushing TDs and adjusted the line for those running plays. Sugercoating is one thing, but saying he had a bad game is not entirely correct.   

[Royale with Cheese]

4 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Oh, Mark....

 

 

I met him at the airport on the way home Monday.  He was a cool guy.

[Scott7975]

36 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Not disagreeing, but shouldn't a QB be able to avoid 2 tipped passes that go for INT's, esp. one who is JA's height?  

 

Tipped balls happen every game.  A lot of them don't get picked.  Our own defense tips balls all the time or the team we are defending tips their own pass and it usually is not picked off.  It was just bad luck.  Much like a fumble that bounces is luck where it goes.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Scott7975

[Simon]

I don't care about a bunch of numbers; that was one of the finest displays of genuine leadership you'll ever see from a Bills QB.

Whether he was laying himself open to pick up first downs, being the first guy down the field to pick Motor up after a strong run, talking his OLine up and getting multiple guys chugging 15-20 yards downfield hunting targets, or keeping his head high and continuing to attack the next play no matter what had happened on the last.

Even when things were going sideways, he still had every guy on the field playing their ass off on every down; and he does it with his ass and not his mouth, which is the only way to sustain it. When you can get chill muther*****ers like Ed Oliver and Daryl Williams wanting to run through walls for you, You Are The Man.

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

And he gets credit when they are TD's and credit when they are INTs. I don't see a problem with that. 

 

I guess I don’t see the point in giving credit based on the same action, same throw with only the result being different.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

I guess I don’t see the point in giving credit based on the same action, same throw with only the result being different.

 

Well you didn't blame Allen for the INT. So I assume that mean you do not credit him for some of his TD's? That seems confusing. 

[without a drought]

His incompletions are underrated too.

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Well you didn't blame Allen for the INT. So I assume that mean you do not credit him for some of his TD's? That seems confusing. 

 

The inverse is not the same.
 

Giving him credit for a great TD is not analogous to not discrediting  him for a defensive player blocking his pass.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

22 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The inverse is not the same.
 

Giving him credit for a great TD is not analogous to not discrediting  him for a defensive player blocking his pass.

 

Gonna have to agree to disagree I guess. 

[Da webster guy]

TV Announcers were clueless on the Bease target INT.   To me there were two things that happened, contact w Bease AND he clearly stopped his in-cut or curl or whatever he was supposed to be running.

 

Either way it wasnt on 17 as we know. 

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

I dont blame Allen for a single one of his INT's.

 

INT 1 - Tipped.

INT 2 - WR Interfered with

INT 3- Tipped.

 

 

Tipped doesn't mean the QB is free of blame.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

But they werent flat out bad throws, 2 tipped and one was a penelty, if not you at least have to agree the wr was blocked/slowed down. It was a bad game. But he still scored two rushing TDs and adjusted the line for those running plays. Sugercoating is one thing, but saying he had a bad game is not entirely correct.   

 

 

I've only watched the first one on the All-22. Should have been thrown away or thrown better. Probably away.

 

The second one - without careful watching - appears to have been unavoidable. The third - again without seeing the All-22 - should have been thrown differently, perhaps to a check down. He had to know he was being spied, and that the guy was in perfect position to make that play. Yes, the leap was just perfect, but NFL players are capable of making beautiful athletic plays in situations like that. He was only 4 - 5 yards in front of Josh, he was in just the right position.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

The second tipped ball INT wasn't a force throw by Allen. So either a great defensive play or ball that Allen just didn't quite put high enough. 

 

It wasn't a forced throw, but he didn't manipulate the LB with his eyes so he had an easy read on where the ball was going to be. Usually Allen is really good at that so I'm not worried. The ball caroming directly into a waiting defender's hands was total luck; the tip was caused by Allen being loose with his technique.

Edited January 5, 2022 by HappyDays

[Buffalo_Stampede]

In defense of Allen's poor stats...

 

 

[Ga boy]

5 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I read that article today and thought it was overly generous to Josh. I believe Josh would say the same thing about it. 
 

Every QB has their days - the Bills beat Green Bay when Rodgers had some picks, but Josh was all over the place Sunday. Hopefully he’ll go back to taking those check downs and play it a little safer in the playoffs. Cannot afford TOs in the playoffs. 

Speaking of Green Bay, I saw some shades of Favre (btw, my fav QB).  Even with the pics, JA17 has the skill set to come back like Farve. The JA17 running gives him a dimension that is better than Farve.  Their will to win is similar. Go Bills!!