Leslie Frazier & the Bears

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

You literally said he was a scout and that's it. Now you're shifting the goal posts and avoiding addressing what I was actually responding to -- your statement that he was a scout and a scout alone.

 

Wrong again. 

The post you quoted literally mentioned him being a Director of Pro Personnel.  EDIT: I think you can be pointing to the fact I did not include his director days in my very first post - as if my omission was the sin. Forgive me!

 

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Einstein

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

He's far more credentialed than John Lynch

 

That is true.

 

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

who has done just fine in SF.

 

But this is very debatable.

 

Lynch was hired in January of 2017. Since then, the 49ers have gone:

 

2017: 6-10

2018: 4-12

2019: 13-3

2020: 6-10

 

Not sure id call that just fine, but to each their own.

[Nextmanup]

With stuff that is this speculative, it's a lot easier to just wait and see what happens.

If he is lost, so be it, and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

Don't see the point is speculating wildly with any of these rumors until it happens...if it is going to at all.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Wrong again. 

The post you quoted literally mentioned him being a Director of Pro Personnel.  EDIT: I think you can be pointing to the fact I did not include his director days in my very first post - as if my omission was the sin. Forgive me!

 

 

I was responding to your first post. You addressed it after it was pointed out that he had more experience than just being a scout. Regardless, I've got nothing against Riddick, and his brother was a solid Bill who spent his whole career with the team.  

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

It’s amazing what results from a  few well placed quotes from an agent...

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

That is true.

 

 

But this is very debatable.

 

Lynch was hired in January of 2017. Since then, the 49ers have gone:

 

2017: 6-10

2018: 4-12

2019: 13-3

2020: 6-10

 

Not sure id call that just fine, but to each their own.

Their drafting and development have been really good.  Two years where their QB got hurt they suffered poor records.  Most teams will.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

With stuff that is this speculative, it's a lot easier to just wait and see what happens.

If he is lost, so be it, and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

Don't see the point is speculating wildly with any of these rumors until it happens...if it is going to at all.

 

 

 

Ok, Marv. 

 

You know he also said "failing to prepare is preparing to fail".

 

You are just a fan..........not part of the team............not working for the Associated Press...........you aren't impacting anything either way by speculating.........if you are just OCD about it and speculation causes you anxiety then a message board certainly isn't the place to be.

 

Anytime there is a potential for losing an important assistant coach it's discussion worthy on TSW...........especially if it would mean getting two 3rd round compensatory picks out of the deal.

 

 

[Saxum]

8 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

One thing you can be sure of, is that Antonio Brown will not be brought in by that group.

 

Leslie Frazier may be only coach that could get in his head he has to change.

[Saxum]

8 hours ago, Frostbite said:

Would love it. He's got such a cushy job though. No doubt he works hard but makes his own hours and not a lot of pressure. Cant say I'd move on from that.

 

No reason for him to become QB Coach unless it his dream to be a head coach.

Coaching requires lots of job changes and his work is pretty steady.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I was responding to your first post. You addressed it after it was pointed out that he had more experience than just being a scout. Regardless, I've got nothing against Riddick, and his brother was a solid Bill who spent his whole career with the team.  

I didn't know he was Robb's brother, very cool! I would say his credentials are better than Mike Mayock's.

[Saxum]

8 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

 

yeah, I suppose riddick isn’t a retread. But dungy and Frazier are— and both in their 60s. Dungy a retread in the same sense as Marv was— coming out of a long retirement at an older age.

 

but don’t shoot the messenger. I am not saying that I personally believe this to be a bad idea. But obviously the league is going more in the 30-year old upstart HC direction. I just find it unlikely for the bears to buck that trend, and hire riddick and a couple of 60-year olds to run their team. 
 

If I had to guess, they will go with a younger offensive coordinator type as the HC. 

 

Shoot the messenger!

 

[boater]

Frazier is a great DC. So was Jim Schwartz. Though, Schwartz was a horrible HC.

 

Being a great OC or DC doesn't make you a great HC. How history treats Frazier (and Daboll) will be very interesting.

[JohnNord]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Just talked to a guy i know who is pretty looped in with Chicago sports and has a few connections) and he believes from recent reports/discussions that dungy is going to be hired as Director of Football Ops, Louis Riddick as GM, and Leslie Frazier as HC. He isn’t 100% convinced they get rid of Ryan pace but that he may get put in a different role. I could see this happening and frazier could hire an OC (Jim Caldwell, who he worked with in Indy?) to take care of that side. I like the fit for him and I think the bears fan base would love it. 

That would be one helluva trio. If you’re Dungy though, why go back to grind when he has a cake job with NBC?

[dave mcbride]

43 minutes ago, Rico said:

I didn't know he was Robb's brother, very cool! I would say his credentials are better than Mike Mayock's.

Yeah, when announcing he has mentioned a couple of times loving going to watch his brother play at Rich Stadium.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I'm talking about fan perceptions of team identity and glory eras. For the Bears, it's about defense literally going back to Papa Bear: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1963.htm. You're thinking far too rationally about this. No really good Bears team in the past 75 years was good because of the offense. You'd have to go back to the Monsters of the Midway for that, and that team's defense was good too. 

 

I can't imagine any Bears fan under 35 isn't tired of Pops telling them about the '85 team nor are they  excited about the prospect of continuing that "tradition". 

 

"OK fans...we are going to return to the days of hard nosed D and we're bringing in Tony Dungy and Leslie Frazier to breath 'new life' into the Bears!!!"

 

It's not a compelling pitch. 

[QLBillsFan]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

No he wasn't.

 

He was the lowest team scout from 2001 to 2004. He was Director of Pro Personnel for only a couple of years and went 24-24.

 

He then "left" - aka fired - and went to Philadelphia to be demoted.

 

 

When he arrived in Philly, he was downgraded back to scout. When he was eventually promoted to Director of Pro Personnel, he endured another bad .500 record (32-32) before being fired by Philly.

 

 

So let's recap.

 

He has:

 

1) Not been with an NFL team in *any* capacity in nearly a decade.

2) When he was with an NFL team, he had a .500 record and was fired by two teams after being in the director job for 3 years or less.

 

Therefore, I stand by my question of: "What in the pickles tarnation does he know about being a GM?"

 

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Guys get fired in football all the time. His name has been in play for several teams in some leadership capacity. It’s my guess between his NFL experience and his remaining dialed into to personal knowledge these teams believe he brings value. You may not and that’s fine. But NFL teams that are considering him clearly do. 

[sullim4]

10 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

Frazier was HC of the Vikes for (3?) years, and the Bears saw him twice a year.   there might  be a lingering impressions from that time and not sure he gets the Bears job because of that.

 

I think a lot of Bears fans will react that way.  It's the same reaction a number of us had when Rex was hired - we all thought he was a dope, seeing his schtick 2x a year and it turned out we were right.  I think Frazier has grown considerably since the Vikings job and would be an excellent hire.

 

I know nothing about Riddick's ability and past experiences in the front office.

 

I think the biggest problem with this proposal is Dungy.  I view him like a Bill Cowher - how relevant is he in the NFL today?  He hasn't held a position with a team since 2008.  I get that he's been able to build and maintain a network of people in the NFL as an NBC guy but damn, that is a lot of time to pass.

[dave mcbride]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I can't imagine any Bears fan under 35 isn't tired of Pops telling them about the '85 team nor are they  excited about the prospect of continuing that "tradition". 

 

"OK fans...we are going to return to the days of hard nosed D and we're bringing in Tony Dungy and Leslie Frazier to breath 'new life' into the Bears!!!"

 

It's not a compelling pitch. 

Do you actually know any Bears fans from Chicago? I do.

[stuvian]

Leslie deserves another shot but because the Bears have a young QB I think they go with an offense oriented head coach

[Einstein]

22 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Guys get fired in football all the time. His name has been in play for several teams in some leadership capacity. It’s my guess between his NFL experience and his remaining dialed into to personal knowledge these teams believe he brings value. You may not and that’s fine. But NFL teams that are considering him clearly do. 

 

I’m not sure that I agree that rumors mean NFL teams are actually interested. Agents routinely put out false rumors to try to get their talents name out there.

 

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Edited January 5, 2022 by Einstein