Leslie Frazier & the Bears

[Gugny]

25 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

 

yeah, I suppose riddick isn’t a retread. But dungy and Frazier are— and both in their 60s. Dungy a retread in the same sense as Marv was— coming out of a long retirement at an older age.

 

but don’t shoot the messenger. I am not saying that I personally believe this to be a bad idea. But obviously the league is going more in the 30-year old upstart HC direction. I just find it unlikely for the bears to buck that trend, and hire riddick and a couple of 60-year olds to run their team. 
 

If I had to guess, they will go with a younger offensive coordinator type as the HC. 

 

Levy was like 102 when the Bills made him the GM.

[The Poojer]

That's a pretty impressive 3 some to lead a team, on paper

 

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Just talked to a guy i know who is pretty looped in with Chicago sports and has a few connections) and he believes from recent reports/discussions that dungy is going to be hired as Director of Football Ops, Louis Riddick as GM, and Leslie Frazier as HC. He isn’t 100% convinced they get rid of Ryan pace but that he may get put in a different role. I could see this happening and frazier could hire an OC (Jim Caldwell, who he worked with in Indy?) to take care of that side. I like the fit for him and I think the bears fan base would love it. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Levy was like 102 when the Bills made him the GM.

i think that made him a re-re-tread. 

[hondo in seattle]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Riddick (not a retread) is 52 and Frazier is 62

51 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Would be a really tough sell/high risk to re-build your team with three 65-year old retreads at critical positions. The NFL seems to be trending to younger and more innovative coaches. But who knows? The Texans went out and hired David Culley last year. 
 

 

Miyagi's take is age-ism at its worst. 

 

Like Frazier, I'm 62 and still proficient at my job.  I'm not un-innovative in the slightest.  In fact, I get accused of being too innovative.

 

There are no signs that the game of football has left Riddick or Frazier behind.  

[aristocrat]

The Bears do need some stability and program builders.  Nagy has been a tire fire.  They could do worse than Leslie and the Bills would love that third rounder

[JGMcD2]

9 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Miyagi's take is age-ism at its worst. 

 

Like Frazier, I'm 62 and still proficient at my job.  I'm not un-innovative in the slightest.  In fact, I get accused of being too innovative.

 

There are no signs that the game of football has left Riddick or Frazier behind.  

I’m on the younger side of things and would have to agree with you. It’s great when you can get some young, fresh thinkers in the room. It means you have a potential building block for a long time… but there are tremendous growing pains with young professionals… especially in sports organizations. 
 

My favorite people I work with are the guys who have been around for decades. In most cases they’re more open-minded than the younger guys - that’s how they’ve stuck around for decades. A lot of younger guys want to do it their way or no way at all… until they learn it doesn’t work that way.

 

It’s just like analytics… you need a good mix of everything. A balance. You can’t be too reliant on one medium for your success. 

[Rochesterfan]

17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Miyagi's take is age-ism at its worst. 

 

Like Frazier, I'm 62 and still proficient at my job.  I'm not un-innovative in the slightest.  In fact, I get accused of being too innovative.

 

There are no signs that the game of football has left Riddick or Frazier behind.  

 

Totally agree and the Bills have talked about how Frazier has taken to analytics more than most of the younger coaches.

 

I think that would be an amazing trio to bring some stability and re-start swimming tradition.

 

 

[MJS]

50 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

don't see it but anything is possible.  

the bears are in the market for a coach to develop their rookie QB justin fields.  

a smart organization would look at the record of all rebound head coaches, those that went from coordinator to head coach and back to coordinator.  the record of coaches getting another shot is not good.  then again the bears are not a very football smart organization.

They should be in the market for the best head coach possible, regardless of what side of the ball they come from.

[dave mcbride]

38 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Louis Riddick as GM?

 

What in the pickles tarnation does he know about being a GM? I mean, I guess he was a scout for a short time, like 10 years ago
 

If I was Leslie, i’d be concerned about that.

 

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He's a legit candidate based on his experience.

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Totally agree and the Bills have talked about how Frazier has taken to analytics more than most of the younger coaches.

 

I think that would be an amazing trio to bring some stability and re-start swimming tradition.

 

 

That's something I've really noticed. Older coaches with years in the game are more than happy to incorporate new concepts into their current philosophies - that's how you survive in an industry where you're hired to get fired. 

 

The irony of it all is that all of the analytics ultimately just reinforce a lot of concepts that we did not quantify before. It's just another tool for coaches to make informed decisions and is an easy way to give feedback/make decisions.

 

I also think the media does an amazing (and ridiculous) job of drumming up a narrative around numbers. It's really not all that complicated and advanced under the hood - plenty of models and metrics are created online similar to what teams end up creating themselves. The teams just have access to more information, more people, more resources AND use the tried-and-true eye test for things. 

Anyway... Dungy, Riddick and Frazier would be a great trio for Chicago. I think Frazier deserves this opportunity. 

[Buffaloflash]

1 hour ago, bigK14094 said:

Frazier was HC of the Vikes for (3?) years, and the Bears saw him twice a year.   there might  be a lingering impressions from that time and not sure he gets the Bears job because of that.

His job done in Buffalo should offset that,Right?

[frostbitmic]

I still believe that our defense is more McClappy than it is Frazier. When things aren't going well with our defense you often see McClappy talking to Frazier and soon after the defense is doing something different and usually with better results.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

I still believe that our defense is more McClappy than it is Frazier. When things aren't going well with our defense you often see McClappy talking to Frazier and soon after the defense is doing something different and usually with better results.

It's a combination. We have a lot of defensive coaching experience on the staff. Defense will always be prepared. Frazier is a big part of the defensive game planning but they will be fine.

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

Frazier has also probably learned a lot since his last HC position.

 

He's well respected by players and a very good defensive coach. Pair him with an up and coming OC and the Bears could be a really good team. 

 

 

[HT02]

It sounds like a recipe for mediocrity to me.  While all of those guys seem like gentlemen and outstanding men I haven't seen anything to make me see Super Bowl in the future with them calling the shots.

[TheFunPolice]

Dungy is a great team builder and leader of men. He built Gruden a SB team in Tampa. 

Riddick I don't know much about, but I would guess Dungy would see this a mentoring and development opportunity for him. 

Frazier is a great defensive coach with great people skills, and I would think he's learned a thing or two in the past bunch of years. He would need a strong OC I think. 

 

Bears could do a lot worse, and it would instantly give them credibility and get the fans excited. They have a lot of great pieces on D right now, and a young QB they need to build around and develop. 

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, HT02 said:

It sounds like a recipe for mediocrity to me.  While all of those guys seem like gentlemen and outstanding men I haven't seen anything to make me see Super Bowl in the future with them calling the shots.

Mediocrity would be an upgrade for that franchise.  They need a GM, coach and scouting department pulling in the same, sane direction for a few years.

[May Day 10]

I suspect Frazier is really good with players, as in, they respect him and listen to him (and he in turn also respects and listens to players).  That is an important thing and a key ingredient that has brought success to McDermott.  He seems universally liked and respected in (public) NFL circles.

 

If Im Joe-Average Bears fan, and they announce Frazier as a coach, Im probably pretty mad though as on the surface it sounds pretty uninspiring.  

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, May Day 10 said:

I suspect Frazier is really good with players, as in, they respect him and listen to him (and he in turn also respects and listens to players).  That is an important thing and a key ingredient that has brought success to McDermott.  He seems universally liked and respected in (public) NFL circles.

 

If Im Joe-Average Bears fan, and they announce Frazier as a coach, Im probably pretty mad though as on the surface it sounds pretty uninspiring.  

 

I think Dungy coming to town as part of the deal makes it more exciting for the average fan though. 

Edited January 4, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Just talked to a guy i know who is pretty looped in with Chicago sports and has a few connections) and he believes from recent reports/discussions that dungy is going to be hired as Director of Football Ops, Louis Riddick as GM, and Leslie Frazier as HC. He isn’t 100% convinced they get rid of Ryan pace but that he may get put in a different role. I could see this happening and frazier could hire an OC (Jim Caldwell, who he worked with in Indy?) to take care of that side. I like the fit for him and I think the bears fan base would love it. 

It does make sense but who does he bring to mentor fields…this seems like a downgrade for Daboll but could see Ken Dorsey as the OC