*[EDIT]* Multiple reports Browns actively shopping Mayfield pg. 29/30 - Ravens / Browns in QB contract pickle

[Matt_In_NH]

They both have a 5th year option plus franchise tags to let it play out and decide later, there is no pickle, no need to panic and make a rush decision.

Edited January 4, 2022 by mattynh

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

9 minutes ago, Greg S said:

To think he was the #1 pick in 2018.

That was a mistake.  A number of those were made.

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Then again, not everyone was wrong. 🤔

[Matt_In_NH]

10 minutes ago, Greg S said:

Baker isn't getting that big payday. To think he was the #1 pick in 2018. He has been a disappointment. They made a point last night saying the Browns offense runs thru Chubb and Hunt. What does that tell you about Baker as a #1 pick?

 

He has gone downhill performance wise from his rookie year which was pretty good.  This year is tough because he has a significant injury that he is playing through and is affecting him which could cost him a lot of money.  But I think he gets healthy, plays next year on the option and then the Browns can decide.

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 minutes ago, mattynh said:

They both have a 5th year option plus franchise tags to let it play out and decide later, there is no pickle.

While this is 100% correct the message it sends is we don’t believe in you enough to make a long term commitment. Not to mention the fact the Bills paid Josh. Lamar’s side will point to wins and his MVP. Baker’s side has less leverage but still can point to the playoffs last year.

[Inigo Montoya]

2 minutes ago, mattynh said:

They both have a 5th year option plus franchise tags to let it play out and decide later, there is no pickle.

 

Definitely could happen that way.  With the cap expected to go up $20 - 30 million dollars in 2023, and likely as much if not more the following year, the Ravens and Browns might wait themselves into a $50 -55 million a year contract.  The Cowboys dragged their feet with Dak and lost that roll of the dice.  The Ravens and Browns might do the same.

[RobbRiddick]

Said this before, I kind of like Baker despite his shortcomings and I think he has the drive and skill to come back from this season with a good 2022, though he'll never put up Allen type numbers. I wouldn't pay him yet and give him another year to see how he does. 

 

Jackson isn't worth the hype around him but his winning % is undeniable. I admire Jackson because he had a lot going against him coming into the league, I get more annoyed with the way the media slobbers all over him every time he makes a "video game" play. 

 

I've realized that Allen and Jackson can be distinguished by a simple rule: if Allen plays 3 sublime quarters of football and then makes a bad INT or fumble he'll get the "oh there's the real Josh Allen" treatment. With Jackson it's the other way around (same for Kyler) in that he can play like ***** for most of the game but makes one incredible scramble and that's all certain people will talk about

[zevo]

baker sucks

 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Is Progressive going to do a commercial where Baker gets evicted?

[ALF]

Spotrac market value FWIW

 

Lamar Jackson  $40.1M  5Y $200.6M  QB rank 3  

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/lamar-jackson-25127/market-value/

 

Baker Mayfield   $29.1M  5Y $145.7M   QB rank 12

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/baker-mayfield-25096/market-value/

[Freddie's Dead]

51 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont see it as a pickle.   Beyond stats Lamar is 37-12 as a starter, and needs to be re-signed. (made sure to add the space for my boy @Freddie's Dead) Baker is 29-30 and should be let go. 

 

My work is done here 🤪

[Southern Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont see it as a pickle.   Beyond stats Lamar is 37-12 as a starter, and needs to be re-signed. (made sure to add the space for my boy @Freddie's Dead) Baker is 29-30 and should be let go. 

If your going to pay a QB simply based on their record, wouldn’t you have to include how Lamar has looked in the playoffs? 

[billsfan1959]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Personally? If I am the Ravens I am paying Lamar Jackson. He is not a great passer, and likely never will be a great passer, but he is just such a dynamic playmaker and they win games when he is on the field that is undeniable. 

 

Baker is tougher. I think I'd let it play out maybe even franchise tag him a year after his rookie deal. He has been battling through a shoulder injury all season this season and I don't want to make a rash decision based on that, but he was a borderline pay or let go decision anyway for me. The issue for Cleveland might be I don't see them bottoming out any time soon to be in position to draft another guy in the top 10. They might be in purgatory somewhat. 

 

This is where I stand too. I think Jackson, while not in the tier of Allen, Mahomes, and Rodgers as a passer, is a better passer than many think. He's not going to put up big passing numbers in a Greg Roman Offense. However, in terms of overall production and what he has brought to his team over the last 3 years (42 games), he is up there with Allen (48 games), Rodgers (47 games), and Mahomes (45 games). Mayfield (46 games) is tougher because he just hasn't produced at the level of the other four.

 

[eball]

The Baker situation is the easier one in my mind…the Browns should tell him to play out his 5th year option and then talk.  He has some excuses (injury) and there’s no question he tried to tough it out for the team…probably to his detriment.  But he wasn’t good and they shouldn’t pay him now.

 

Both the Ravens and Lamar are in a pickle.  The Ravens drafted him and then completely designed an offense around him.  If the contract demands are “reasonable” then the Ravens probably extend him, but if Baltimore decides they want to go in another direction because his demands are too high where does he go?  What other team is going to “blow everything up” and craft the offense needed for him to be successful?

 

Lamar won an MVP and has had tremendous success (pre-playoffs).  This year, though, the fear a lot of folks had has come to the forefront — namely, that he’s not a huge guy and that style of play is hazardous to his health.  He also still hasn’t developed fully as a passer.

 

Like the OP mentioned, we should be so happy not to be in either of these spots.

 

[Captain Hindsight]

13 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Is Progressive going to do a commercial where Baker gets evicted?

Moving day with Baker Mayfield

[Arkady Renko]

We're going too spoiled as Bills fans with Josh Allen.  Five years ago we would be pushing to back the Brinks truck up for a QB like Baker. 

[wjag]

15 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

This is where I stand too. I think Jackson, while not in the tier of Allen, Mahomes, and Rodgers as a passer, is a better passer than many think. He's not going to put up big passing numbers in a Greg Roman Offense. However, in terms of overall production and what he has brought to his team over the last 3 years (42 games), he is up there with Allen (48 games), Rodgers (47 games), and Mahomes (45 games). Mayfield (46 games) is tougher because he just hasn't produced at the level of the other four.

 

 

Allen is the only one with a Passing, Rushing and Receiving TD.  So clearly better 🙂 

[May Day 10]

Im glad I dont have to make the decision.

 

Mayfield will be a waiting game I think.  His shoulder likely really undermined his season and I am sure he would rather wait and prove it.  The issue is, if he goes back to the previous Mayfield, he is really tough to handicap as far as the rest of the QBs... especially with the backdrop of the Browns who havent really had anyone besides Testaverde and Kosar since Otto Graham.  I could see Mayfield's personality really becoming antagonistic if he does good/decent next season and the deal isnt waiting for him.  

 

Jackson...  I dont know.  I really wouldnt want my team to give him franchise QB money long-term.  I get his record and all as well as some electric games.  But I just dont think he has the ability to be a true franchise QB.  Injuries are going to pile up and he will slow down.  I trust in Baltimore to do the right thing, whatever that is.

[Governor]

My gut tells me that the Ravens are looking for a way out and would love to dump Lamar if possible. Now is the time for them to change course.

 

Only problem is, what team would want Lamar? There’s only a few that would be interested. Houston Perhaps?

Edited January 4, 2022 by Governor

[gjv001]

I think Jackson will get a contract from Baltimore that will be very close to Allen type money. On the other hand, the Browns might try to trade for Russell Wilson or, a cleared to play Watson. The Browns have a win now team, and perhaps feel they are a QB away from the Super Bowl.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, CNYfan said:

I am amazed at how bad Baker plays.  Last night against the Steelers was atrocious.  He has excuses but eegad the Browns are in a terrible quandary.

 

I concur that Lamar will get his contract.  Just be thankful we don't have the baker issue here in Buffalo.  I would let him go, I don't think he can be a great 40 mil franchise QB.

I don’t think they consider re-signing baker.  Doesn’t seem like a quandary at all to me.  They’ve got an effective running game to lean on and he is still about as successful as a first year player would be for a much lower price tag.  Lamar’s stumbles in the playoffs make it kind of interesting but I don’t see them letting him walk 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan