*[EDIT]* Multiple reports Browns actively shopping Mayfield pg. 29/30 - Ravens / Browns in QB contract pickle

[Bruce Smith]

No way NO takes Mayfield

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Cousins deal at 35M is pretty hefty.  Is he worth the 20+ mill increase in cap charge?  You could just keep baker and sign someone like mariota or trubisky for insurance.  

Traded its only $10 million. Vikings save $25 million unless I read it wrong. Browns could then just extend Cousins or keep him for $25 million on 1 year.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He definitely has two outstanding young receivers. I think Tee Higgins is a #1 and Chase clearly is a #1. He has two more years at least throwing to that pair. I have to say I have a knock on Herbert's fundamentals. I think his gets loose with his release and his footwork too often for my tastes. I'd go Mahomes #1, Allen #2, Burrow #3.

 

 

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

 

 

 

 

And I can't argue that.  I don't think there is anyone else including Lamar, Baker, and Dak that I'd pick over these guys.  Lawrence hasn't impressed at all.  And with regime change coming already for him, man what a disaster that could be. 

 

Jury still out:

 

Hurts 

Lawrence 

Zach Wilson 

Tua 

Lance

Mac Jones

Fields 

 

 

Awaiting a Grand Jury:

 

Watson 

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Bruce Smith said:

No way NO takes Mayfield

They took on Winston.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

25 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Drought era Bills would be all in on trading for Baker. 

What time is his plane due in?!  We'll have a few hundred fans at the airport to meet him! 😁

[Seventeen]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

 

 

 

 

And I can't argue that.  I don't think there is anyone else including Lamar and Dak that I'd pick over these guys.  Lawrence hasn't impressed at all.  And with regime change coming already for him, man what a disaster that could be. 

 

Jury still out:

 

Hurts 

Lawrence 

Zach Wilson 

Tua 

 

 

Awaiting a Grand Jury:

 

Watson 

 

 

I think you can add Mayfield to the 'Jury still out' group. 

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Roy Hobbs said:

 

I think you can add Mayfield to the 'Jury still out' group. 

 

 

Correct.  And Lance and Mac Jones to.  

[Bruce Smith]

7 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Cousins deal at 35M is pretty hefty.  Is he worth the 20+ mill increase in cap charge?  You could just keep baker and sign someone like mariota or trubisky for insurance.  

He is worth it more than Mayfield.  Mayfield = Goff

[FLFan]

49 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I'm not sure if anything matters more than producing and winning. Allen has won 10+ games and made the playoffs in each of his first three full seasons as a starter and took his team to the AFCCG last year. During that time, only Rodgers produced more TDs, only Mahomes and Brady produced more yards, and only Rodgers, Mahomes, and Brady won more games. He accounts for a higher percentage of his teams offensive yards and touchdown than any player in the NFL. Only 7 players in NFL history produced more total yards in their first 60 games, and only three players in NFL history produced more TDs in their first 60 games.

 

 

 

 

Good post, but you cannot win an argument with a troll.

[Bruce Smith]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They took on Winston.

for 5 million bucks.  If I am NO or Mia I get Watson.  He is the best young QB available.  I'd take Watson over every young QB but Burrow.  

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Good post, but you cannot win an argument with a troll.

 

Haha! I should know better...

 

I wish there was an emoji that captured the essence of, "you are absolutely insane"

[Doc]

33 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

This is why Josh’s deal was better than Maholmes’.  He’ll get to re set the market again, Maholmes will likely never get to.  Allen got paid almost as much AND gets to go again in his prime, Maholmes will be in the league for 13 years by the time he gets another shot at being a FA, not great. 

Mahomes will absolutely ask for a new deal well before his deal runs out.  All he hast to do is threaten a hold out if they don’t give it to him before hand.

And I agree that Murray will get a huge deal after the season, followed by Herbert and Burrow the following off-season. I still think that the Ravens and Browns have/had reservation about their quarterbacks hence the reason they didn’t give them new deals.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Traded its only $10 million. Vikings save $25 million unless I read it wrong. Browns could then just extend Cousins or keep him for $25 million on 1 year.

 

His cap hit for 2022 is 45M.  35M base salary in 2022 is to whomever he would go to.  Minnesota eats the prorated bonus of 10M.  I am not sure how retained salary/cap could work on a trade of that deal, but thats the standard basics of it.  

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

Mahomes will absolutely ask for a new deal well before his deal runs out.  All he hast to do is threaten a hold out if they don’t give it to him before hand.

And I agree that Murray will get a huge deal after the season, followed by Herbert and Burrow the following off-season. I still think that the Ravens and Browns have/had reservation about their quarterbacks hence the reason they didn’t give them new deals.

 

With franchise QBs and a good relationship things tend to work themselves out naturally avoiding holdouts.  The cap hits get really high, then you tack on additional years so you can push bonus money out further into the future.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

His cap hit for 2022 is 45M.  35M base salary in 2022 is to whomever he would go to.  Minnesota eats the prorated bonus of 10M.  I am not sure how retained salary/cap could work on a trade of that deal, but thats the standard basics of it.  

 

With franchise QBs and a good relationship things tend to work themselves out naturally avoiding holdouts.  The cap hits get really high, then you tack on additional years so you can push bonus money out further into the future.  

Point is Minnesota can get out if they find a partner. Cousins can always help his new team out with a restructure.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Point is Minnesota can get out if they find a partner. Cousins can always help his new team out with a restructure.

 

You need someone to take on a fully guaranteed 35M base salary cap hit... and the only restructure would involve extending him and increasing his guarantee from 35M in year 1 to... significantly more over another couple of years.  Or adding void years which just hurts you down the line.  

[Coach Tuesday]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

 

 

 

 

And I can't argue that.  I don't think there is anyone else including Lamar and Dak that I'd pick over these guys.  Lawrence hasn't impressed at all.  And with regime change coming already for him, man what a disaster that could be. 

 

Jury still out:

 

Hurts 

Lawrence 

Zach Wilson 

Tua 

Baker

Lance

Mac Jones

 

 

Awaiting a Grand Jury:

 

Watson 

 

 

Agree with this.  And no one would call me a "homer" around here - I don't think enough is said about how much Allen's teammates rally behind him.  This is not lost on GMs around the league, they see it.  Having a guy like Allen who works harder than anyone, is great to be around, inspires and engages with the community, is clean as a whistle off the field, is "all ball," and is, as one exec put it in an Athletic article I read the other day, "the most competitive player on that roster," is simply invaluable to have in addition to his outer-worldly athletic ability.  Not to say that the other guys on that list aren't of a similar ilk - Mahomes probably is, Burrow might be getting there.  Herbert is low-key, I don't know yet if guys are running through walls for him; Murray is hyper-competitive but also tends to sulk when things go poorly - his leadership skills have been openly questioned.   My point is, Allen brings so much to the table, he's a unicorn, nearly any team in the league with kill to have a guy like him in the fold.  It's inarguable at this point.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

You need someone to take on a fully guaranteed 35M base salary cap hit... and the only restructure would involve extending him and increasing his guarantee from 35M in year 1 to... significantly more over another couple of years.  Or adding void years which just hurts you down the line.  

The Browns can. And they can also restructure with an extension. I mention the Browns due to the relationship with the HC obv.

[GunnerBill]

42 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

What QBs currently in the NFL would you want for the next 7-10 years here is what I think GMs would tell you:

 

1.  Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Herbert

4. Burrow

5. Murray

 

 

 

 

And I can't argue that.  I don't think there is anyone else including Lamar, Baker, and Dak that I'd pick over these guys.  Lawrence hasn't impressed at all.  And with regime change coming already for him, man what a disaster that could be. 

 

Jury still out:

 

Hurts 

Lawrence 

Zach Wilson 

Tua 

Lance

Mac Jones

Fields 

 

 

Awaiting a Grand Jury:

 

Watson 

 

 

Yea I think those 5 would be on everyone's list. Lamar would be on some lists as well but totally off others (as he was at draft time). And I think Burrow would be higher than 4th on a lot of lists. I know for a fact 1 team had him graded higher than Andrew Luck coming out. Teams loved him as a prospect and I don't think he has done anything to undermine that in the league. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

55 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Haha! I should know better...

 

I wish there was an emoji that captured the essence of, "you are absolutely insane"

Arguing with such an individual is equivalent to:

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Bruce Smith said:

for 5 million bucks.  If I am NO or Mia I get Watson.  He is the best young QB available.  I'd take Watson over every young QB but Burrow.  

 

Watson is the perfect fit for NO and Payton can afford to mortgage the future a bit as the Saints are ready to win now.