*[EDIT]* Multiple reports Browns actively shopping Mayfield pg. 29/30 - Ravens / Browns in QB contract pickle

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

January in Berea!

 

Technically not a puppet, but you could  glue a popsicle stick to its butt, and use it as one.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

45 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

One thing I have always respected about Baker is he tells you like it is and doesn’t pull punches.  Applaud him for calling out the medias flimsy stories all the time

 

He does?  I kind of feel like he creates his own drama and then finger-points at others for it.  He carries grudges against the press - who was that one reporter he had a public spat with a couple years ago?  And as Cabot reported, Mayfield refused to make himself available for the required media press conference after the Lions win. That ain’t a brave guy who “tells you like it is and doesn’t pull punches”, that’s a guy who doesn’t want to face the music of tough press questions, even when it’s music he’s contractually obligated to face.

 

Not that the media doesn’t put out flimsy stories at times, but (see above) my impression is that Cabot in general is a careful and credible reporter, and telling her “he’s not her puppet” IMHO implies that he legitimately provided some of the material in the story and didn’t like the way she “spun” it, not that she didn’t have legit sources.

[JGMcD2]

36 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The players and coaches that determine who is a probowl player, they certainly qualify as experts.

 

They determined that Josh Allen is not one of the top 3 QB's in the AFC conference this year.

 

 

Explain to me how the Pro Bowl voting works, @FilthyBeast

[SactoBillFan]

44 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The players and coaches that determine who is a probowl player, they certainly qualify as experts.

 

They determined that Josh Allen is not one of the top 3 QB's in the AFC conference this year.

 

 

Deliberately left out the fans. Who obviously are not experts.

[Albany,n.y.]

Mayfield is a coach killer.  Killed off Jackson & Kitchens, now can't get along with his 3rd head coach.  

Darnold may not have personality clashes but his play on the field kills coaches too.  

There are a lot more coach killing QBs than coaches who ruin QBs.  

[BuffaloBill]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The bottom line is if you are going to pay a guy $250M dollars you better be damn sure he's an elite top 3 QB in this league and wins multiple SB's in the near term or it's makes zero sense to do that. The more logical thing is to aware someone after they have risen to the top like Mahomes.

 

Mahomes was a league MVP in year two (essentially his rookie season since he only played the season finale his first year), won a SB in year 3 and made it to another in year four. I believe his deal came after year 3 which is fine.

 

Experts in this league (not fans like us) felt Allen wasn't even the top 3 QB in his own conference this year, so again what does this say? But can you really argue with them after he craps all over himself in a game against a terrible Falcons team after having such a great performance the prior week? Also what accolades does he have other than one AFCCG appearance in that you can argue wasn't really on his shoulders (at least not the Ravens game).

 

Again, this goes back to the point that Allen's contract was probably premature. But if he goes on to win a SB this year then case closed regardless of his stats and horrendous outings he had during the regular season.

 

 

 

 

So the lack of a running game in Buffalo (though last Sunday there was glimmer of one) along with known problems with the offensive line (again maybe at some level of under repair) fall under the responsibility of Josh Allen. The guy has put the team on his back and carried it except for last week.  He is a once in a generation talent and I am glad the Bills were smart and came to a reasonable agreement with him.

[Seventeen]

4 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Mayfield is a coach killer.  Killed off Jackson & Kitchens, now can't get along with his 3rd head coach.  

Darnold may not have personality clashes but his play on the field kills coaches too.  

There are a lot more coach killing QBs than coaches who ruin QBs.  

 

Had issues at the time with Kingsbury as well

[cle23]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He does?  I kind of feel like he creates his own drama and then finger-points at others for it.  He carries grudges against the press - who was that one reporter he had a public spat with a couple years ago?  And as Cabot reported, Mayfield refused to make himself available for the required media press conference after the Lions win. That ain’t a brave guy who “tells you like it is and doesn’t pull punches”, that’s a guy who doesn’t want to face the music of tough press questions, even when it’s music he’s contractually obligated to face.

 

Not that the media doesn’t put out flimsy stories at times, but (see above) my impression is that Cabot in general is a careful and credible reporter, and telling her “he’s not her puppet” IMHO implies that he legitimately provided some of the material in the story and didn’t like the way she “spun” it, not that she didn’t have legit sources.

 

 

Mary Kay Cabot is a quack.  She writes articles for drama and clicks.  She has decent content sometimes, but she then writes headlines for said article in order to create drama.  I know clicks = money, but she isn't a great representative of a great and fair reporter.

7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Mayfield is a coach killer.  Killed off Jackson & Kitchens, now can't get along with his 3rd head coach.  

Darnold may not have personality clashes but his play on the field kills coaches too.  

There are a lot more coach killing QBs than coaches who ruin QBs.  

 

Hue Jackson went 1-31 before Mayfield.  So he killed himself with his inflated ego.  Kitchens is the fault of John Dorsey.  Hired him WAY before he was ever ready.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

So the lack of a running game in Buffalo (though last Sunday there was glimmer of one) along with known problems with the offensive line (again maybe at some level of under repair) fall under the responsibility of Josh Allen. The guy has put the team on his back and carried it except for last week.  He is a once in a generation talent and I am glad the Bills were smart and came to a reasonable agreement with him.

 

If we had waited a year on the deal it likely would have been more expensive.  It also likely can run close to camp, creating a possible holdout issue.  

 

Murray will be the one to get paid this offseason.  Herbert and Burrow will be the year after most likely.  All likely start the negotiation at the Josh allen contract.  

[billsfan1959]

3 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Sorry been tied up with some things so I could respond sooner.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and again I'm not disputing Allen being in the upper 3rd of NFL QB's from a statistical standpoint.  He is and only a fool would tell you otherwise.

 

The crux of my argument is that you have to look at the accolades that matter (at least in terms of the 'experts') and prior to 2021 Allen had one good season on film which many felt (and still feel) was fluky because of the covid year circumstances. So if we are debating the fact that his extension was given on potential that's another thing, but in terms of being a proven commodity Allen really isn't yet unless he can elevate this team to another level in the playoffs and at minimum make another AFCCG appearance.

 

But going back to my personal feelings, I'm still taking the guys I mentioned over Allen today because I'm not a biased fan and have seen more pure raw talent to believe they are going to be all time great HOF types that win multiple championships and/or elevate their teams. Allen could be too but still think the odds are against that if anything because of how inconsistent he still is 4 years into his career.

 

I'm not sure if anything matters more than producing and winning. Allen has won 10+ games and made the playoffs in each of his first three full seasons as a starter and took his team to the AFCCG last year. During that time, only Rodgers produced more TDs, only Mahomes and Brady produced more yards, and only Rodgers, Mahomes, and Brady won more games. He accounts for a higher percentage of his teams offensive yards and touchdown than any player in the NFL. Only 7 players in NFL history produced more total yards in their first 60 games, and only three players in NFL history produced more TDs in their first 60 games.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Baker to New Orleans.

 

Cousins to Cleveland.

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He does?  I kind of feel like he creates his own drama and then finger-points at others for it.  He carries grudges against the press - who was that one reporter he had a public spat with a couple years ago?  And as Cabot reported, Mayfield refused to make himself available for the required media press conference after the Lions win. That ain’t a brave guy who “tells you like it is and doesn’t pull punches”, that’s a guy who doesn’t want to face the music of tough press questions, even when it’s music he’s contractually obligated to face.

 

Not that the media doesn’t put out flimsy stories at times, but (see above) my impression is that Cabot in general is a careful and credible reporter, and telling her “he’s not her puppet” IMHO implies that he legitimately provided some of the material in the story and didn’t like the way she “spun” it, not that she didn’t have legit sources.

He really should just tell the media that there is no truth to the report. Then later  pick up the phone and call Mary Kay  and let her know her story is false, and give her the “real” story or whatever he wants out there. The way he approached it was continuing the drama-stirring and immature but that’s how he is. 

she’s not just making it up for click bait. Which is what he’s accusing her of doing. Someone gave her the info. The source could be wrong, but she didn’t just make it up. Mary Kay doesn’t have some agenda. She’s often been painted as being too kind to the browns and the beat reporters are afraid to be overly critical because they want access. It’s one of the softest nfl media out there. Usually if they report something negative it’s because they have the info and have no choice, it’s her job. 

[Inigo Montoya]

6 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

If we had waited a year on the deal it likely would have been more expensive.  It also likely can run close to camp, creating a possible holdout issue.  

 

Murray will be the one to get paid this offseason.  Herbert and Burrow will be the year after most likely.  All likely start the negotiation at the Josh allen contract.  

 

I agree.  The Troll in this thread makes a big deal about the $40 a year contract Josh got.  In three years, scrub QBs are going to be getting $50+ a year with the cap exploding from the new TV contract and new gambling money that is going to start flooding into the the NFL.   Josh's contract is going to give the Bills years of competitive advantage over any team that has to ink their QBs to a new contract after this year.  

 

When Murray, Herbert, and Burrow resign they will be averaging $50 - $55 million a year.

 

[Alphadawg7]

32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He does?  I kind of feel like he creates his own drama and then finger-points at others for it.  He carries grudges against the press - who was that one reporter he had a public spat with a couple years ago?  And as Cabot reported, Mayfield refused to make himself available for the required media press conference after the Lions win. That ain’t a brave guy who “tells you like it is and doesn’t pull punches”, that’s a guy who doesn’t want to face the music of tough press questions, even when it’s music he’s contractually obligated to face.

 

Not that the media doesn’t put out flimsy stories at times, but (see above) my impression is that Cabot in general is a careful and credible reporter, and telling her “he’s not her puppet” IMHO implies that he legitimately provided some of the material in the story and didn’t like the way she “spun” it, not that she didn’t have legit sources.

 

I don't follow him that closely anymore, so not really aware or familiar with those other incidents to be honest.  For me, I just appreciate when a player calls out reporters in general, who have less and less accountability in sports reporting and get to hind behind alleged "sources" all the time.  Media always looking to manufacture stories for clicks with these athletes.  

 

So its less about Baker I suppose and more of me not being a fan of the lack of accountability in sports reporting with things like this, so I generally enjoy when someone isn't afraid to call them out in those cases.  

[MJS]

23 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Mayfield is a coach killer.  Killed off Jackson & Kitchens, now can't get along with his 3rd head coach.  

Darnold may not have personality clashes but his play on the field kills coaches too.  

There are a lot more coach killing QBs than coaches who ruin QBs.  

Or all those coaches just weren't very good.

 

Hey, I'm not defending Mayfield. I think he is not turning out to be a good QB, but the Browns are underperforming in all aspects. They are loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. They have one of the best olines in the NFL, two good running backs, good recievers and TE's, perhaps the #1 edge rusher in the game, and talent all over that defense.

 

If you are underperforming with that much talent, that has to be on the coaches. Mayfield may not be great, but he is at least serviceable.

[cle23]

8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I agree.  The Troll in this thread makes a big deal about the $40 a year contract Josh got.  In three years, scrub QBs are going to be getting $50+ a year with the cap exploding from the new TV contract and new gambling money that is going to start flooding into the the NFL.   Josh's contract is going to give the Bills years of competitive advantage over any team that has to ink their QBs to a new contract after this year.  

 

When Murray, Herbert, and Burrow resign they will be averaging $50 - $55 million a year.

 

 

By then, if contracts are exploding like you say, odds are Allen will ask for a new contract.  He isn't going to sit at $40M if average Joe's are getting $50M.

[BillsfaninSB]

Drought era Bills would be all in on trading for Baker. 

[DCofNC]

7 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

By then, if contracts are exploding like you say, odds are Allen will ask for a new contract.  He isn't going to sit at $40M if average Joe's are getting $50M.

This is why Josh’s deal was better than Maholmes’.  He’ll get to re set the market again, Maholmes will likely never get to.  Allen got paid almost as much AND gets to go again in his prime, Maholmes will be in the league for 13 years by the time he gets another shot at being a FA, not great. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Baker to New Orleans.

 

Cousins to Cleveland.

 

Cousins deal at 35M is pretty hefty.  Is he worth the 20+ mill increase in cap charge?  You could just keep baker and sign someone like mariota or trubisky for insurance.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Baker to New Orleans.

 

Cousins to Cleveland.

Aunt Muriel to Brothers of Mercy? 🤔