FilthyBeast Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:27 PM, teef said: there's absolutely nothing true about this at all. you really have to be special to even make a comment like this. Expand No I deal in facts my friend, despite the rampant homerism here and in Bills mafia's heads in general there's a reason why Allen wasn't voted to the probowl this year and that reason was pretty much on full display against a terrible Falcons team and defense. Josh is a good QB, that's not the issue. But there's nothing about at this point in time that says he's truly elite and worth being the highest paid QB in the NFL especially with such woeful inconsistency coming off a great game in NE and then having one of the worst of his career at home against a pathetic team and defense. To be elite you have to play at that level consistently. Not have a few great games sandwiched between multiple clunkers or just average outings over the course of 16+ game campaign. Now if he has a season like 2020 or better next year, or better yet delivers a SB appearance/win this year then obviously myself and other critics are dead wrong but until then the fact say he's simply that not the guy some fans want to believe he is. But then again there are very few of them in this league to begin with outside of Brady/Mahomes/Rogers/etc. 1 3 2 Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:35 PM, FilthyBeast said: No I deal in facts my friend, despite the rampant homerism here and in Bills mafia's heads in general there's a reason why Allen wasn't voted to the probowl this year and that reason was pretty much on full display against a terrible Falcons team and defense. Josh is a good QB, that's not the issue. But there's nothing about at this point in time that says he's truly elite and worth being the highest paid QB in the NFL especially with such woeful inconsistency coming off a great game in NE and then having one of the worst of his career at home against a pathetic team and defense. To be elite you have to play at that level consistently. Not have a few great games sandwiched between multiple clunkers or just average outings over the course of 16+ game campaign. Now if he has a season like 2020 or better next year, or better yet delivers a SB appearance/win this year then obviously myself and other critics are dead wrong but until then the fact say he's simply that not the guy some fans want to believe he is. But then again there are very few of them in this league to begin with outside of Brady/Mahomes/Rogers/etc. Expand Sorry about the Dolphins 1 6 Quote
Jerome007 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 12:31 PM, Greg S said: Baker isn't getting that big payday. To think he was the #1 pick in 2018. He has been a disappointment. They made a point last night saying the Browns offense runs thru Chubb and Hunt. What does that tell you about Baker as a #1 pick? Expand Well that OL and Chubb are awesome. It's weird that Baker was by far the most "NFL ready" of the 2018 QBs. He just has plateaued out quickly for some reason. He's still a good starter. BTW that's what I feared with Josh. Not that he'd be a bust, but that he'd be in the "good/very good but not elite" category. You're often stuck with these guys. Thankfully he has been... elite Lamar could turn out to be a contract nightmare because of injuries and limitations, but as of now, they have to sign him. I don't wish bad on the players... but it'd sure help the Bills if both these guys sign huge contracts and are disappointments... Quote
TBBills Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) On 1/4/2022 at 5:25 PM, FilthyBeast said: Both the Ravens and Browns were prudent and not rushing to extend Jackson/Mayfield respectively. In the Browns case it's starting to look like they will need to begin the elusive search for a franchise QB again. The ravens obviously probably resign Jackson long term once both sides agree to what makes sense and he was having a borderline MVP year before getting hurt IMO. I still think the Bills made a mistake in resigning Allen so quickly because they could have had him much cheaper based on this year's regression and current production. Expand You always manage to say the wrong thing. Thankfully you have a habit about it and people know this. He didn't regress this year just FYI. Edited January 4, 2022 by TBBills Quote
BillsFanSD Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:25 PM, FilthyBeast said: I still think the Bills made a mistake in resigning Allen so quickly because they could have had him much cheaper based on this year's regression and current production. Expand LOL I hope the Bills extend Allen again this offseason just to ruin your day. Quote
TBBills Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) On 1/4/2022 at 5:35 PM, FilthyBeast said: No I deal in facts my friend, despite the rampant homerism here and in Bills mafia's heads in general there's a reason why Allen wasn't voted to the probowl this year and that reason was pretty much on full display against a terrible Falcons team and defense. Josh is a good QB, that's not the issue. But there's nothing about at this point in time that says he's truly elite and worth being the highest paid QB in the NFL especially with such woeful inconsistency coming off a great game in NE and then having one of the worst of his career at home against a pathetic team and defense. To be elite you have to play at that level consistently. Not have a few great games sandwiched between multiple clunkers or just average outings over the course of 16+ game campaign. Now if he has a season like 2020 or better next year, or better yet delivers a SB appearance/win this year then obviously myself and other critics are dead wrong but until then the fact say he's simply that not the guy some fans want to believe he is. But then again there are very few of them in this league to begin with outside of Brady/Mahomes/Rogers/etc. Expand Again you are wrong... you do this to troll or just really wrong with information? Edited January 4, 2022 by TBBills Quote
FilthyBeast Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:36 PM, TBBills said: You always manage to say the wrong thing. Thankfully you have a habit about it and people know this. He didn't regress this year just FYI. Expand Go look at his YOY production from 2020 to 2021 and the facts will tell you otherwise. Again, it doesn't mean he's a bad QB and I'm not saying that. But he's not worth $250 million thus far and the smarter move would have been to wait like the Ravens and Browns did. 1 1 1 Quote
Doc Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:35 PM, FilthyBeast said: No I deal in facts my friend, despite the rampant homerism here and in Bills mafia's heads in general there's a reason why Allen wasn't voted to the probowl this year and that reason was pretty much on full display against a terrible Falcons team and defense. Josh is a good QB, that's not the issue. But there's nothing about at this point in time that says he's truly elite and worth being the highest paid QB in the NFL especially with such woeful inconsistency coming off a great game in NE and then having one of the worst of his career at home against a pathetic team and defense. To be elite you have to play at that level consistently. Not have a few great games sandwiched between multiple clunkers or just average outings over the course of 16+ game campaign. Now if he has a season like 2020 or better next year, or better yet delivers a SB appearance/win this year then obviously myself and other critics are dead wrong but until then the fact say he's simply that not the guy some fans want to believe he is. But then again there are very few of them in this league to begin with outside of Brady/Mahomes/Rogers/etc. Expand Josh deserved to make the Pro Bowl over Jackson. That is indisputable to anyone but a blatant homer. Despite the 2 tipped pass interceptions against the Falcons. Quote
Scott7975 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:06 PM, quinnearlysghost88 said: Huntley is the same player as Jackson in both rushing and passing. Jackson only has 2 multiple TD passing games this season out of 11 and 2 games over 300 yards. Huntley possesses similar running skills too. Both have 2 TDs, Huntley in 6 fewer games played. Jackson has ~500 more yards, which with 6 extra games Huntley could easily cut into. take Huntley the cheaper option. Get a hopefully big return for Jackson. Expand While I don't agree they are the same player I think they are close enough. The cost savings plus what they could fleece another team for trading Lamar is worth doing IMO. Jackson can run better and is the better over all athlete but I think Huntley can run well enough and is the better passer of the two. At least from what I have watched from Huntley so far. Quote
FilthyBeast Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:37 PM, TBBills said: Again you are wrong... you do this to troll or just really wrong with information? Expand Where am I wrong? He didn't make the probowl which I know is not everything but a guy handed $250 million contract should definitely be in the top 3 of the conference and outside of biased fans the people that matter understood he's not a top QB in the conference. Also go examine the key metrics for yourself in terms of his completion percentage, QB rating, INT, etc all worse than 2020: https://www.nfl.com/players/josh-allen-4/ Again, the crux of my argument is simply that Beane should have waited to resign/extend him not that Allen sucks or something because he doesn't. 1 1 1 Quote
TBBills Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:38 PM, FilthyBeast said: Go look at his YOY production from 2020 to 2021 and the facts will tell you otherwise. Again, it doesn't mean he's a bad QB and I'm not saying that. But he's not worth $250 million thus far and the smarter move would have been to wait like the Ravens and Browns did. Expand The facts actually show he didn't. See you don't know how to look at what the weather was compared to last season. You don't realize more than half the Bills games were bad weather games. You have all the wrong information and this isn't even close to the first time you have done stupid ***** like this before. On 1/4/2022 at 5:42 PM, FilthyBeast said: Where am I wrong? He didn't make the probowl which I know is not everything but a guy handed $250 million contract should definitely be in the top 3 of the conference and outside of biased fans the people that matter understood he's not a top QB in the conference. Also go examine the key metrics for yourself in terms of his completion percentage, QB rating, INT, etc all worse than 2020: https://www.nfl.com/players/josh-allen-4/ Again, the crux of my argument is simply that Beane should have waited to resign/extend him not that Allen sucks or something because he doesn't. Expand I just explained it to you, you are wrong. Like always. 2 Quote
Doc Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:42 PM, FilthyBeast said: Where am I wrong? He didn't make the probowl which I know is not everything but a guy handed $250 million contract should definitely be in the top 3 of the conference and outside of biased fans the people that matter understood he's not a top QB in the conference. Also go examine the key metrics for yourself in terms of his completion percentage, QB rating, INT, etc all worse than 2020: https://www.nfl.com/players/josh-allen-4/ Again, the crux of my argument is simply that Beane should have waited to resign/extend him not that Allen sucks or something because he doesn't. Expand You are wrong using Allen’s snub for the pro bowl as evidence of anything. Do you think that Lamar Jackson deserved to make the pro bowl? 1 Quote
FilthyBeast Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:39 PM, Doc said: Josh deserved to make the Pro Bowl over Jackson. That is indisputable to anyone but a blatant homer. Despite the 2 tipped pass interceptions against the Falcons. Expand Jackson was carrying the Ravens and they were 8-3 with him healthy which shows he was not only an MVP candidate but top QB in the conference. And he did most of this with him arm this year vs being a 'running QB'. Obviously if Allen got hurt the Bills would also be in a world of trouble but the league obviously feels he's not the main reason the team is any good especially with the #1 overall ranked defense. 1 1 Quote
TBBills Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:45 PM, FilthyBeast said: Jackson was carrying the Ravens and they were 8-3 with him healthy which shows he was not only an MVP candidate but top QB in the conference. And he did most of this with him arm this year vs being a 'running QB'. Obviously if Allen got hurt the Bills would also be in a world of trouble but the league obviously feels he's not the main reason the team is any good especially with the #1 overall ranked defense. Expand You are a really bad troll. Quote
FilthyBeast Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:44 PM, Doc said: You are wrong using Allen’s snub for the pro bowl as evidence of anything. Do you think that Lamar Jackson deserved to make the pro bowl? Expand Yes see above post, especially since their season has cratered without him and Jackson was carrying an injury ravaged team to the best record in the conference through the first 2/3rd of the season. Quote
Scott7975 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:25 PM, FilthyBeast said: Both the Ravens and Browns were prudent and not rushing to extend Jackson/Mayfield respectively. In the Browns case it's starting to look like they will need to begin the elusive search for a franchise QB again. The ravens obviously probably resign Jackson long term once both sides agree to what makes sense and he was having a borderline MVP year before getting hurt IMO. I still think the Bills made a mistake in resigning Allen so quickly because they could have had him much cheaper based on this year's regression and current production. Expand Are you insane? Oh wait never mind. I forgot you just like to troll. Jackson was having nowhere near a "borderline MVP year." Not even in the stratosphere of close. They wouldn't have had him cheaper. The cap is going up. His "regression" and production this year has earned what he is getting paid. He is still a top 5 QB in this league with his regression/production this year. The only mistake is letting you continually troll the boards. Everyone here knows who and what you are. Honestly Im surprised you didn't disappear after the Pats game like you did last year. Quote
teef Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:35 PM, FilthyBeast said: No I deal in facts my friend, despite the rampant homerism here and in Bills mafia's heads in general there's a reason why Allen wasn't voted to the probowl this year and that reason was pretty much on full display against a terrible Falcons team and defense. Josh is a good QB, that's not the issue. But there's nothing about at this point in time that says he's truly elite and worth being the highest paid QB in the NFL especially with such woeful inconsistency coming off a great game in NE and then having one of the worst of his career at home against a pathetic team and defense. To be elite you have to play at that level consistently. Not have a few great games sandwiched between multiple clunkers or just average outings over the course of 16+ game campaign. Now if he has a season like 2020 or better next year, or better yet delivers a SB appearance/win this year then obviously myself and other critics are dead wrong but until then the fact say he's simply that not the guy some fans want to believe he is. But then again there are very few of them in this league to begin with outside of Brady/Mahomes/Rogers/etc. Expand the very fact you took the few minutes to write a reply like this shows how little you value your time. every year that passes, josh's contract will look better and better. you deserve the flack you get on this board. but for that matter, i'm pretty sure the attention is what you're after in the first place. 2 Quote
BillsFanSD Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:42 PM, FilthyBeast said: Where am I wrong? He didn't make the probowl which I know is not everything but a guy handed $250 million contract should definitely be in the top 3 of the conference and outside of biased fans the people that matter understood he's not a top QB in the conference. Expand Nobody besides you thinks that Josh Allen is not one of the top QBs in the AFC. Don't get me wrong -- the AFC has a lot of good young QBs. Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, and Herbert all look like franchise guys. I don't know if Mac Jones, Mayfield, Wilson, Lawrence etc. will develop or not, but those guys obviously have potential too. But come on. If we re-run the 2018 draft tomorrow, 32 out of 32 teams would have Allen as the top-rated guy on their board. 1 1 Quote
Doc Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:45 PM, FilthyBeast said: Jackson was carrying the Ravens and they were 8-3 with him healthy which shows he was not only an MVP candidate but top QB in the conference. And he did most of this with him arm this year vs being a 'running QB'. Obviously if Allen got hurt the Bills would also be in a world of trouble but the league obviously feels he's not the main reason the team is any good especially with the #1 overall ranked defense. Expand You’re kidding, right? His 18 total touchdowns and 16 total turnovers was carrying the team? LOL! 1 1 Quote
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