Can we finally put the need for a dome stadium to rest?

[Einstein]

21 minutes ago, Logic said:

I've said this in every recent stadium thread, and I'm not trying to sound like a broken record, but it seems many still aren't aware of this:

An AP story by John Wawrow indicated that the plan for the new stadium is for it to be constructed in such a way that the stands are mostly protected from the elements, and the wind level on the field is reduced. 

Seattle's stadium is a great example of this. I've attended a game there, and the way it's constructed made it WAY less cold and windy in the stands than it was outside the stadium.

This won't completely eliminate the effects of bad weather, but it will make a big difference for the fan experience and the amount that wind affects the game. To me, this is the best of both worlds. Football is meant to be played outdoors, and nothing beats the atmosphere of a beautiful fall day -- or even a cold winter day -- in Orchard Park. So no, there won't be a dome, but yes, there will be weather protection.

 

I'm not an engineer but I have a hard time envisioning a partial roof that covers most of the stands without it being nearly enclosed in full.

 

Rain/snow doesn't fall straight down. It comes at an angle. 

 

For this reason, Seahawk fans still get soaked in the rain. 

 

EDIT: A quick google search revealed that it's pretty hit or miss. There are certain rows and sections that are better covered than others. Eek.

 

 

7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I believe it's not glass, but ETFE plastic. Super versatile and low-maintenance material. The Bills stadium will make great use of it, as well.

 

Lets hope.

 

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Edited January 3, 2022 by Einstein

[CEN-CAL17]

22 minutes ago, Logic said:

I've said this in every recent stadium thread, and I'm not trying to sound like a broken record, but it seems many still aren't aware of this:

An AP story by John Wawrow indicated that the plan for the new stadium is for it to be constructed in such a way that the stands are mostly protected from the elements, and the wind level on the field is reduced. 

Seattle's stadium is a great example of this. I've attended a game there, and the way it's constructed made it WAY less cold and windy in the stands than it was outside the stadium.

This won't completely eliminate the effects of bad weather, but it will make a big difference for the fan experience and the amount that wind affects the game. To me, this is the best of both worlds. Football is meant to be played outdoors, and nothing beats the atmosphere of a beautiful fall day -- or even a cold winter day -- in Orchard Park. So no, there won't be a dome, but yes, there will be weather protection.

I do like the Seattle stadium design except 1 thing…. I wish the level 1 seats went all the way around. That would be even more beneficial for the winds in orchard park 

[LeGOATski]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Lets hope.

It's almost a certainty that it gets used, just not for a fully enclosed roof. They can use it to build a more effective (and aesthetically pleasing) overhang than Seattle's. 

[LABILLBACKER]

I don't care how the hell they engineer / design it as long as the wind is practically eliminated. 

[Logic]

22 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I'm not an engineer but I have a hard time envisioning a partial roof that covers most of the stands without it being nearly enclosed in full.

 

Rain/snow doesn't fall straight down. It comes at an angle. 

 

For this reason, Seahawk fans still get soaked in the rain. 

 

EDIT: A quick google search revealed that it's pretty hit or miss. There are certain rows and sections that are better covered than others. Eek.

 

 

 

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I can only comment on my own experience there. Perhaps I was one of the lucky ones with regard to seat location. All I know is that I attended a night game in November, and I distinctly remember feeling much less exposed to the elements -- wind, cold, rain -- than I typically would be at the Ralph. 

It won't be perfect. Wind and precipitation WILL still affect the players and fans. I think it'll be worlds better than what they both currently face at Highmark Stadium, though.

[purple haze]

52 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Sunday showed the Bills need a dome.

 

The only people who don't think this team needs a dome are people who aren't smart enough realize it... so they don't matter anyway.

Tell it to the Pegula’s.  They’re so dumb they aren’t building a facility with a roof and tens of thousands will still show up to the games.  

[B-Man]

 

 

Can we finally put the need for a dome stadium to rest?

 

No.

 

It would be better for future teams.

 

It would be better for (the majority) of fans.

 

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[nucci]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I have historically been anti-dome for similar reasons. Traditional domes feel like a crypt.

 

In the modern era, domes are not like this. There is so much natural light that you feel like you are outside.

 

Examples: 

 

 

 

SoFi is the coolest looking stadium

[stuvian]

Domed stadia will turn us into girly men

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

35 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Can we finally put the need for a dome stadium to rest?

 

No.

 

It would be better for future teams.

 

It would be better for (the majority) of fans.

 

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I still don’t agree with this…I’m not sure mac jones could physically pass the ball at all in the wind game and josh was still moving the ball fine.  We have the best qb you could ask for in bad weather he has an absolute cannon and runs like a fullback.  I’ll hold my tongue til after the rematch in the playoffs but it really feels like the Pats got lucky in that wind game…they had no business winning that game we just shot ourselves in the foot too many times 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Nextmanup]

21 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

There have been 52 total Super bowls to date. And only three times has a dome team one. SB 34 with the Rams, SB41 with the Colts and SB 44 with the Saints. Needing a dome to have a championship team is a total farce. Domes are for people who cant handle a little weather now and then. I had a blast at the game today. It's minus 5 in Green Bay right now in a sold out Lambeau. Buffalo is getting soft.

How many teams (over all the years) have actually had a dome?

 

You can't be a dome team that wins the Super Bowl if you don't play in a dome.

 

Have you adjusted your math for this?

I'm guessing no.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I'm not an engineer but I have a hard time envisioning a partial roof that covers most of the stands without it being nearly enclosed in full.

 

Actually, the colosseum in Rome originally had a feature called the "velarium" which was like a fabric awning that stuck out from the upper walls of the stadium.  It was retractable and controlled by sailors with knowledge of ropes, lines, tackle, etc.  

 

It didn't extend very far out over the stadium, but managed to keep a huge % of the crowd in the shade, even as the sun moved through the sky during the day.  

 

Just another example of the brilliance of ancient Rome.

 

 

 

[Hebert19]

Josh allen rating 

 

2021 

Home rating - 85.8

Away rating - 99.4

 

2020

Home rating- 103

Away rating - 110.5

 

2019

Home rating - 76.9

Away rating - 92.6

 

I'm on dome bandwagon.  

Edited January 3, 2022 by Hebert19

[Since1981]

It’s a lost cause! The Low IQ BUF townies will only argue that a cover is for “girly men”. (Btw, OJ called, he wants his glove!)
 

Josh realized we need a stadium cover for highest winds in the NFL (2x), we need as a recruitment, future teams, rules changes, and all styles of future team play!

 

A cover isn’t about girly-men or nostalgia—it’s about a competitive long term team future.
 

f the next (local) generation, again. 

[JMF2006]

21 hours ago, Draconator said:

 

I bet some here have a Chrome Dome, so domes are cool yo. 

 

I think Chroming it would be extravagant

 

Just build us another Indy Oil Can

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

Actually, the colosseum in Rome originally had a feature called the "velarium" which was like a fabric awning that stuck out from the upper walls of the stadium.  It was retractable and controlled by sailors with knowledge of ropes, lines, tackle, etc.  

 

It didn't extend very far out over the stadium, but managed to keep a huge % of the crowd in the shade, even as the sun moved through the sky during the day.  

 

Just another example of the brilliance of ancient Rome.

 

 

 

 

Velariums were used in round "stadiums", which is a big engineering difference than rectangular, and they covered the entire seating area (Not a portion of it - like the Seahawks).

[WotAGuy]

I wonder if the new stadium will be similar to Hard Rock Stadium. Didn’t they figure a way to cover most of the seats?

[Einstein]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

I wonder if the new stadium will be similar to Hard Rock Stadium. Didn’t they figure a way to cover most of the seats?

 

Yes. But at that point you might as well build a dome.

 

Cost over half a billion to put that roof and other upgrades on.

 

 

[JMF2006]

20 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

The idea of a dome has been dead for a while now. 

 

Football is an outdoor sport. Domes are only needed where there is excess heat, because heat is much more dangerous to people in that setting.

 

Well according to the CDC thats not true

 

 Results and Conclusions—During 2006–2010, about 2,000 U.S. residents died each year from weather-related causes of death. About 31% of these deaths were attributed to exposure to excessive natural heat, heat stroke, sun stroke, or all; 63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia, or both; and the remaining 6% were attributed to floods, storms, or lightning

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr076.pdf

[WotAGuy]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Yes. But at that point you might as well build a dome.

 

Cost over half a billion to put that roof and other upgrades on.

 

 

Well, it was a retrofit and has to withstand hurricanes, which I’m sure added to the cost.