Can we finally put the need for a dome stadium to rest?

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, purple haze said:

PS & E did all of their research and studies.  They already stated what the stadium was going to be.   Are arguments for a roof based on some information that they have changed their minds?

Low key Conspiracy. Pegulas did the study, Terry paid. Who is to say Terry (the hockey fan) doesn’t want a dome because then he gets no outdoor winter classics 

[Einstein]

31 minutes ago, Fallser said:

Accurate. But folks that moved south demand that WNY and the Bills build a dome so they can be comfy. Hypocrisy is comical.

 

I have found that correlation to be true. The majority of dome’rs that I have spoken to do not live in the area.

 

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Edited January 3, 2022 by Einstein

[CountDorkula]

31 minutes ago, Fallser said:

Accurate. But folks that moved south demand that WNY and the Bills build a dome so they can be comfy. Hypocrisy is comical.

I’m in WNY. I want a dome. 
 

I’d wager a pretty penny that 99% if the players if asked if they’d rather play in 10 degree and snow or 65 in a dome thud choose the dome. 

[Since1981]

Terry wants open air, natural grass. I’d like to hear his rationale. His $250M highest paid employee asked for a dome. Seriously, would be good to hear. 

[Fallser]

18 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

WNY would benefit from a dome stadium because it would be a multi venue location.  The cost of the roof is really irrelevant because the venue would be around 50 years or so.  The amount of revenue generated over that time would more than cover the expense. 

 

All you have to do is look at the last 50 years of events at the Ralph.  Overwhelmingly Bills games not much else.  A dome would afford all sorts of revenue opportunities - concerts, auto shows, NCAA basketball tournament games, etc.  The ***** weather and feeling uncomfortable has little to do with it.  

 

This isn't really true always, the stadiums are "sold" (occupying teams threaten to move away) to cities and municipalities as economic engines...but truth is that football stadiums have little to no long term impact on job creation due to the fact that there are simply not enough games. Thats why the multi-stadiums were born in the 70s.  It just doesn't work. The cities/taxpayers foot the bill with the team chipping in a bitty portion. But the real onus falls on Tax payer Joe gets who no monetary return, but a quality of life return if he happens to enjoy football.  WNY/NY/Erie county can't afford a Allianze/ATT/Mercedes dome. If, er...WHEN buffalo gets a team it will look like Heinze Field or Lincoln Financial or Gillette.

 

(See Michael Leeds books about this)

Edited January 3, 2022 by Fallser

[DCbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, purple haze said:

PS & E did all of their research and studies.  They already stated what the stadium was going to be.   Are arguments for a roof based on some information that they have changed their minds?

I have not followed the new stadium situation closely.  PSE determined new stadium.  Did they announce open air stadium as well?

[Einstein]

As I sat beneath the glow and warmth of the club seat heaters today, I thought to myself: “These are great. They should make them available to all seats.”

 

Then I realized that what I was asking for is essentially a dome.

 

PS, would love to know how much it costs to heat the outside for 6 hours.

 

2 minutes ago, Fallser said:

 

This isn't really true always, the stadiums are "sold" (occupying teams threaten to move away) to cities and municipalities as economic engines...but truth is that football stadiums have little to no long term impact on job creation due to the fact that there are simply not enough games. Thats why the multi-stadiums were born in the 70s.  It just doesn't work. The cities/taxpayers foot the bill with the team chipping in a bitty portion. But the real onus falls on Tax payer Joe gets who no monetary return, but a quality of life return if he happens to enjoy football.  WNY/NY/Erie county can't afford a Allianze/ATT/Mercedes dome. If, er...WHEN buffalo gets a team it will look like Heinze Field or Lincoln Financial or Gillette.

 

(See Michael Leeds books about this)

 

The Vikings built this for $1.1 Billion in 2016. That’s $1.3 Billion, accounting for inflation, in 2021.

 

The Bills budget (from what I recall) is $1.4 Billion.

 

[DCbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, Fallser said:

 

This isn't really true always, the stadiums are "sold" (occupying teams threaten to move away) to cities and municipalities as economic engines...but truth is that football stadiums have little to no long term impact on job creation due to the fact that there are simply not enough games. Thats why the multi-stadiums were born in the 70s.  It just doesn't work. The cities/taxpayers foot the bill with the team chipping in a bitty portion. But the real onus falls on Tax payer Joe gets no monetary return, but a quality of life return if he happens to enjoy football.  WNY/NY/Erie county can't afford a Allianze/ATT/Mercedes dome. If, er...WHEN buffalo gets a team it will look like Heinze Field or Lincoln Financial or Gillette.

 

(See Michael Leeds books about this)

I was thinking more along the lines of the Colts stadium.  I've been to Jerry's World.  It's amazing and it's over the top.  No way am I suggesting anything like that.  Also been to Heinz field.  Bills can't get a new stadium fast enough imo.

[LeGOATski]

The idea of a dome has been dead for a while now. 

 

Football is an outdoor sport. Domes are only needed where there is excess heat, because heat is much more dangerous to people in that setting.

[Einstein]

29 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

remember every team in the league is fighting a man cave with 4K HD cheap food and perfect viewing conditions. 

 

Not exactly.

 

The revenue from tickets is a pittance of a teams overall profitability. Somewhere around only 7%. The majority comes from the television contracts.

 

And the home team has to give a big chunk of the ticket revenue to the visiting team.

[Fallser]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Not exactly.

 

The revenue from tickets is a pittance of a teams overall profitability. Somewhere around only 7%. The majority comes from the television contracts.

 

And the home team has to give a big chunk of the ticket revenue to the visiting team.

Yep, ticket sales are pocket change. TV Deals are where the real money is.

[Billznut]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

The owners don't want a roof so it's a moot point.

 

We can post all the stats, arguments, and history that we want but the team does not want a dome and that isn't going to change. 

 

 

Agreed. But that’s also what makes the dozens of dome/weather threads so amusing. I honestly believe people think the more they moan and complain about needing a dome, the more likely it is that the Pegulas will change their mind. I don’t think many, if any billionaires in history have let the peasants make their decisions for them. 

44 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

WNY would benefit from a dome stadium because it would be a multi venue location.  The cost of the roof is really irrelevant because the venue would be around 50 years or so.  The amount of revenue generated over that time would more than cover the expense. 

 

All you have to do is look at the last 50 years of events at the Ralph.  Overwhelmingly Bills games not much else.  A dome would afford all sorts of revenue opportunities - concerts, auto shows, NCAA basketball tournament games, etc.  The ***** weather and feeling uncomfortable has little to do with it.  

This has been proven false in nearly every single study ever done on this subject. Yet people constantly try to bring it up. I don’t get it. Stadiums never have and never will be a revenue generator over and above the cost of the stadium construction. 

[FieldGeneral]

Put a dome on it. For the money they want, I want to be comfortable. 

[FarrellsFinest]

Am i the only one who saw a bunch of open seats. And a super talented QB get held back from his potential greatness by the elements. 

[QCity]

[Einstein]

17 minutes ago, FarrellsFinest said:

Am i the only one who saw a bunch of open seats. And a super talented QB get held back from his potential greatness by the elements. 

 

The entire upper deck had large areas of empty seats.

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Einstein

[Bubba Gump]

1st, I have no idea how to do a poll from my phone.

 

2nd, I also have breathing issues (trachea stenosis) when it comes to cold air. I wear a mask to warm the air up. Still don't want a dome.

 

3rd, The atmosphere is 100% better than in a dome. Been there done that and it pretty much sucks compared to Orchard Park.

 

4th, it's still is and always will be a home field advantage. 

 

Chicago, Green Bay, Kansas City, Denver, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Seattle, Washington, Baltimore, etc.....never hear them bitching for a dome. And most of them have had some pretty good teams. 

 

Buffalo is getting soft!!!

 

 

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The entire upper deck had large areas of empty seats.

 

 

No, the upper corners are never full. The place was 90% full today and Josh and Motor both ran wild to get Buffalo the win. Nice try.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Bubba Gump

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

No, the upper corners are never full. The place was 90% full today and Josh and Motor both ran wild to get Buffalo the win. Nice try.

 

The corners are full during the warm games. I can show you photos, if you’d like.

 

Do you feel that 90% full is a good thing?

[Supe]

 Which is our bigger home field advantage, our weather or our strategic crowd noise? I’m resigned to an OA in OP, but imagine the Bills Mafia jamming communications under an echoing dome!

 

The best stadium I’ve ever been in is in Minneapolis. 

[Bubba Gump]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The corners are full during the warm games. I can show you photos, if you’d like.

 

Do you feel that 90% full is a good thing?

 

I've had season tickets since 1963, so there is not much you can show me. 90% capacity is great in crap weather, unless you're in GB.