Einstein Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) On 1/3/2022 at 9:52 PM, Logic said: I've said this in every recent stadium thread, and I'm not trying to sound like a broken record, but it seems many still aren't aware of this: An AP story by John Wawrow indicated that the plan for the new stadium is for it to be constructed in such a way that the stands are mostly protected from the elements, and the wind level on the field is reduced. Seattle's stadium is a great example of this. I've attended a game there, and the way it's constructed made it WAY less cold and windy in the stands than it was outside the stadium. This won't completely eliminate the effects of bad weather, but it will make a big difference for the fan experience and the amount that wind affects the game. To me, this is the best of both worlds. Football is meant to be played outdoors, and nothing beats the atmosphere of a beautiful fall day -- or even a cold winter day -- in Orchard Park. So no, there won't be a dome, but yes, there will be weather protection. Expand I'm not an engineer but I have a hard time envisioning a partial roof that covers most of the stands without it being nearly enclosed in full. Rain/snow doesn't fall straight down. It comes at an angle. For this reason, Seahawk fans still get soaked in the rain. EDIT: A quick google search revealed that it's pretty hit or miss. There are certain rows and sections that are better covered than others. Eek. On 1/3/2022 at 10:06 PM, LeGOATski said: I believe it's not glass, but ETFE plastic. Super versatile and low-maintenance material. The Bills stadium will make great use of it, as well. Expand Lets hope. . Edited January 3, 2022 by Einstein Quote
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 9:52 PM, Logic said: I've said this in every recent stadium thread, and I'm not trying to sound like a broken record, but it seems many still aren't aware of this: An AP story by John Wawrow indicated that the plan for the new stadium is for it to be constructed in such a way that the stands are mostly protected from the elements, and the wind level on the field is reduced. Seattle's stadium is a great example of this. I've attended a game there, and the way it's constructed made it WAY less cold and windy in the stands than it was outside the stadium. This won't completely eliminate the effects of bad weather, but it will make a big difference for the fan experience and the amount that wind affects the game. To me, this is the best of both worlds. Football is meant to be played outdoors, and nothing beats the atmosphere of a beautiful fall day -- or even a cold winter day -- in Orchard Park. So no, there won't be a dome, but yes, there will be weather protection. Expand I do like the Seattle stadium design except 1 thing…. I wish the level 1 seats went all the way around. That would be even more beneficial for the winds in orchard park Quote
LeGOATski Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 10:08 PM, Einstein said: Lets hope. Expand It's almost a certainty that it gets used, just not for a fully enclosed roof. They can use it to build a more effective (and aesthetically pleasing) overhang than Seattle's. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 I don't care how the hell they engineer / design it as long as the wind is practically eliminated. 1 Quote
Logic Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 10:08 PM, Einstein said: I'm not an engineer but I have a hard time envisioning a partial roof that covers most of the stands without it being nearly enclosed in full. Rain/snow doesn't fall straight down. It comes at an angle. For this reason, Seahawk fans still get soaked in the rain. EDIT: A quick google search revealed that it's pretty hit or miss. There are certain rows and sections that are better covered than others. Eek. . Expand I can only comment on my own experience there. Perhaps I was one of the lucky ones with regard to seat location. All I know is that I attended a night game in November, and I distinctly remember feeling much less exposed to the elements -- wind, cold, rain -- than I typically would be at the Ralph. It won't be perfect. Wind and precipitation WILL still affect the players and fans. I think it'll be worlds better than what they both currently face at Highmark Stadium, though. Quote
purple haze Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 9:47 PM, TBBills said: Sunday showed the Bills need a dome. The only people who don't think this team needs a dome are people who aren't smart enough realize it... so they don't matter anyway. Expand Tell it to the Pegula’s. They’re so dumb they aren’t building a facility with a roof and tens of thousands will still show up to the games. Quote
B-Man Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 Can we finally put the need for a dome stadium to rest? No. It would be better for future teams. It would be better for (the majority) of fans. . 1 1 Quote
nucci Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 2:42 PM, Einstein said: I have historically been anti-dome for similar reasons. Traditional domes feel like a crypt. In the modern era, domes are not like this. There is so much natural light that you feel like you are outside. Examples: Expand SoFi is the coolest looking stadium 1 Quote
stuvian Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 Domed stadia will turn us into girly men 1 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) On 1/3/2022 at 10:42 PM, B-Man said: Can we finally put the need for a dome stadium to rest? No. It would be better for future teams. It would be better for (the majority) of fans. . Expand I still don’t agree with this…I’m not sure mac jones could physically pass the ball at all in the wind game and josh was still moving the ball fine. We have the best qb you could ask for in bad weather he has an absolute cannon and runs like a fullback. I’ll hold my tongue til after the rematch in the playoffs but it really feels like the Pats got lucky in that wind game…they had no business winning that game we just shot ourselves in the foot too many times Edited January 3, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote
Nextmanup Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 1:41 AM, Bubba Gump said: There have been 52 total Super bowls to date. And only three times has a dome team one. SB 34 with the Rams, SB41 with the Colts and SB 44 with the Saints. Needing a dome to have a championship team is a total farce. Domes are for people who cant handle a little weather now and then. I had a blast at the game today. It's minus 5 in Green Bay right now in a sold out Lambeau. Buffalo is getting soft. Expand How many teams (over all the years) have actually had a dome? You can't be a dome team that wins the Super Bowl if you don't play in a dome. Have you adjusted your math for this? I'm guessing no. 1 Quote
Nextmanup Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 10:08 PM, Einstein said: I'm not an engineer but I have a hard time envisioning a partial roof that covers most of the stands without it being nearly enclosed in full. Expand Actually, the colosseum in Rome originally had a feature called the "velarium" which was like a fabric awning that stuck out from the upper walls of the stadium. It was retractable and controlled by sailors with knowledge of ropes, lines, tackle, etc. It didn't extend very far out over the stadium, but managed to keep a huge % of the crowd in the shade, even as the sun moved through the sky during the day. Just another example of the brilliance of ancient Rome. 1 1 1 Quote
Hebert19 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) Josh allen rating 2021 Home rating - 85.8 Away rating - 99.4 2020 Home rating- 103 Away rating - 110.5 2019 Home rating - 76.9 Away rating - 92.6 I'm on dome bandwagon. Edited January 3, 2022 by Hebert19 1 1 1 Quote
Since1981 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 It’s a lost cause! The Low IQ BUF townies will only argue that a cover is for “girly men”. (Btw, OJ called, he wants his glove!) Josh realized we need a stadium cover for highest winds in the NFL (2x), we need as a recruitment, future teams, rules changes, and all styles of future team play! A cover isn’t about girly-men or nostalgia—it’s about a competitive long term team future. f the next (local) generation, again. 1 2 Quote
JMF2006 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 2:31 AM, Draconator said: I bet some here have a Chrome Dome, so domes are cool yo. Expand I think Chroming it would be extravagant Just build us another Indy Oil Can 1 Quote
Einstein Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 11:37 PM, Nextmanup said: Actually, the colosseum in Rome originally had a feature called the "velarium" which was like a fabric awning that stuck out from the upper walls of the stadium. It was retractable and controlled by sailors with knowledge of ropes, lines, tackle, etc. It didn't extend very far out over the stadium, but managed to keep a huge % of the crowd in the shade, even as the sun moved through the sky during the day. Just another example of the brilliance of ancient Rome. Expand Velariums were used in round "stadiums", which is a big engineering difference than rectangular, and they covered the entire seating area (Not a portion of it - like the Seahawks). 1 Quote
WotAGuy Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 I wonder if the new stadium will be similar to Hard Rock Stadium. Didn’t they figure a way to cover most of the seats? Quote
Einstein Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 11:51 PM, WotAGuy said: I wonder if the new stadium will be similar to Hard Rock Stadium. Didn’t they figure a way to cover most of the seats? Expand Yes. But at that point you might as well build a dome. Cost over half a billion to put that roof and other upgrades on. Quote
JMF2006 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 3:06 AM, LeGOATski said: The idea of a dome has been dead for a while now. Football is an outdoor sport. Domes are only needed where there is excess heat, because heat is much more dangerous to people in that setting. Expand Well according to the CDC thats not true Results and Conclusions—During 2006–2010, about 2,000 U.S. residents died each year from weather-related causes of death. About 31% of these deaths were attributed to exposure to excessive natural heat, heat stroke, sun stroke, or all; 63% were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold, hypothermia, or both; and the remaining 6% were attributed to floods, storms, or lightning https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr076.pdf 1 Quote
WotAGuy Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 11:53 PM, Einstein said: Yes. But at that point you might as well build a dome. Cost over half a billion to put that roof and other upgrades on. Expand Well, it was a retrofit and has to withstand hurricanes, which I’m sure added to the cost. Quote
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