Josh 17 rtg: just wowww !

[CoudyBills]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

 

We're getting Davin Cook next year?!?! Cool!!! Get er done Beane!!!!

Dalvin's brother?  Isn't he a history teacher or something? 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I'm slightly worried that he keeps returning to forcing it. He seems to pick up the best way forward but not sustain it. How much time does he need to settle in this form of play? Last week he was a £258m man; this week it seems like we've overpaid. The inconsistency in the passing game needs to be sorted out and quickly.

 

Fantastic on the ground, though.

You realize your saying the Bills overpaid for a guy that’s less then 150 yards from 5000 total yards of offense and has 42 total touchdowns? 

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I don't know what took so long for us to have Davin run the ball.

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

Allen played one of his worst games a week after playing one of his best. Just win, I’m cool if he plays like that as long as we win. 

[Best Williams Available]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Sort of a weird game by him. Passed really well at times (including on 3rd down). But I did notice that he basically ignored all the underneath stuff. Knox would go out for little

5-yard routes, would be wide open, and JA just wouldn’t throw the ball. i think he was looking for the bigger plays all day. 

He tends to try to overperform at home. He really wants to get the fans into it and I think he plays a bit too loose, especially in first halves. It wasn’t terribly windy but he was rifling balls with his arm on 5 yd slants etc causing all those early drops. Catching balls on cold/wet days is hard for WRs. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

Reminded me alot of rookie josh allen in the aspect that there were some big drops early and it seemed to snow ball with josh and he kinda forced some stuff. Ya he had some heat on some of those passes but we are talking about world class athletes they can catch lasers. But it finally felt like josh was able to be off and the rest of the team didn't absolutely crumble. Devin and the defense picked him up, and josh still did enough on the ground to get the win.

[Breakout Squad]

You had me at Davin. A mix of Devin Singletary and Gavin Rossdale 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

It’s a good omen that we still scored 29 points even though he stunk.

Shows how incredibly under rated his running ability is. Terrible passing today but absolutely dominant running. 
 

Huge in the first quarter. And then big again in the third quarter converting crucial third downs.  
 

Few QBs in this league can have an overall okay game with passing number like Josh had today. 

[MJS]

5 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I'm slightly worried that he keeps returning to forcing it. He seems to pick up the best way forward but not sustain it. How much time does he need to settle in this form of play? Last week he was a £258m man; this week it seems like we've overpaid. The inconsistency in the passing game needs to be sorted out and quickly.

 

Fantastic on the ground, though.

Don't overreact to individual performances or especially individual plays. It's never as bad or as good as it seems.

 

This game had poor weather conditions and multiple dropped balls by receivers (including another dropped TD). Two of Josh's INTs were tipped passes.

 

Josh just needs to play in some more of these bad weather games to get a better feel for what he can and can't do. There's a real adjustment that needs to be made for these games. Receivers have cold hands and the ball is harder, so catching his bullet passes is a lot more difficult, receivers are slower out of their breaks because of poor footing, etc.

[Nihilarian]

This is what should have happened every single time the QB has great difficulty passing in a game. Every...single...time!!

 

Guess what? Suddenly the crappy Buffalo O line and RBs are good enough to win games. The OC simply needs to do his job properly in setting up a decent run scheme and call more run plays... instead of just keep calling pass plays that aren't working. 

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

Who cares .. even when he was bad , he was better then everyone else. He didn't even have a good game passing and still was the best player offensively.. you people look to much into stats . 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Kenosha2Buffalo

[Italian Bills]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Honestly if you didn't show me the stats I would have never thought he played that bad.  Outside of the first INT which I thought was a poor decision, I thought he played fine.

Yeah.. regarding his passing game it was pretty poor. I agree with some of you that everybody can have a bad performance, it happens, but can you honestly say that Josh could have had a 17 rtg ? Me not at all, a 60 maybe, maybe… not a 17. 
 

Like i said i’m sure Josh we’ll learn from this, he’s the first who understand it. 

[MJS]

ESPN thinks he did well. His QBR is 61.5 for this game, further illustrating how useless QBR is.

 

Allen did some nice things on the ground, but he'll be the first to tell you that this was one of his poorest games. But he still did enough to win and has lots to learn from and work on for the next poor weather game.

[SectionC3]

9 hours ago, DrPJax said:

Yeah, you make great points.   We finally have a franchise qb, why can’t we try to protect him more in games like this.?   Daboll came out throwing ; I mean throwing to Dawkins on first and goal from the one when we have a rb capable of taking that in.  It’s that kind of stuff that will get you beaten by a GOOD TEAM , PLAYOFF TEAM, or worse yet , lose your franchise qb for a year with an acl or other injury.  
 

They completely got away from what had just worked well against the pats!  Mckenzie had few targets if any.   It’s the inconsistency of game plans that is maddening at times.   This type of first half against a team in the playoffs and you usually lose.  When you have 4 turnovers , give up a defensive score , and score after the other team ( stats this year according to nfl network show team that scores FIRST WINS almost 75% of the time !) , the odds of coming back or winning are really against you.  Why we kept avoiding the run until the third int is crazy, but that’s how Daboll operates.  

 

Josh was having a bad game. Why it took so long to run more , or start off trying to run when the falcons are 31 st against the run I think is just not good coaching.  Luckily, the Falcons head coach out dimmed Daboll ! 

 

The Dawkins play went for a touchdown last year.  We had probably half a dozen snaps in the redone immediately prior to that play, so I don't blame Daboll for trying something different.  Unfortunately the Falcons swallowed it up.  And unfortunately the whole stadium knew it was going to Dawkins because it was the first time he reported as eligible all year, and it was after Doyle was reporting as eligible as the extra TE.   So maybe run it with Doyle next time. 

 

Same situation, by the way, on the next snap.  Moss checked in and played a split role.  Whole stadium knew it was QB sweep time.  And we still scored. But again, we had tons of snaps down there and there's only so much in the proverbial bag of tricks. 

[Italian Bills]

9 hours ago, Best Williams Available said:

He tends to try to overperform at home. He really wants to get the fans into it and I think he plays a bit too loose, especially in first halves. It wasn’t terribly windy but he was rifling balls with his arm on 5 yd slants etc causing all those early drops. Catching balls on cold/wet days is hard for WRs. 

I’m with you bro…. i agree that is a “hearth man” before a “brain man”. Sometime it could be dangerous… but i’ll take the first one every single day, no question. He wanna get the fans and the entire stadium engaged, i love that. 
 

Josh “illegal arm” Allen, you are our man! You are a f…..g warrior !

[Italian Bills]

6 hours ago, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

Who cares .. even when he was bad , he was better then everyone else. He didn't even have a good game passing and still was the best player offensively.. you people look to much into stats . 

Didn’t call him out at all.. i just said WOOOW… cause I don’t think he ever had a performance that bad on passing aspect. He did everything else great, his running yards were outstanding. 
 

 

[jletha]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

ESPN thinks he did well. His QBR is 61.5 for this game, further illustrating how useless QBR is.

 

Allen did some nice things on the ground, but he'll be the first to tell you that this was one of his poorest games. But he still did enough to win and has lots to learn from and work on for the next poor weather game.

I think that QBR is more fair. Obvi Josh didnt play great but I really didnt think he played the worst game of his career. For the first three drives he was on point throwing until it was goal to go. He racked up so many incompletes at the goal line before he just ran it in. Many balls went right off of players hands. Sure than can be on him but also he was putting the ball where it needed to be at least. Then two tipped pass ints and we basically abandoned the pass all together.

 

After that he was dominant as a rusher. Usually a 17 rating with 3 ints means you won despite your QB play. But I dont think we win that game without JA.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

11 hours ago, Mango said:

 

Josh might have been the best football player on the field today. But he wasn’t the best QB. 
 

It happens. Got the W. On to NJ. 

 

 

Odd take. 
 

It’s not illegal in the NFL for a quarterback to move the ball on the ground and score touchdowns on the ground.

 

Joshua was still the best quarterback on the field. It wasn’t really even close. It’s not like Matt Ryan was having a good day through the air.And when Ryan did try to show off his mobility he was flagged for two penalties.

 

Bad passing day for Allan? Yes. Bad day at the office overall for Allan? No, not really.

 

It’s good to have a quarterback that’s not a one trick pony. Majority of quarterbacks put those kind of numbers up through the air their team is not putting up 29 points.

[MJS]

47 minutes ago, jletha said:

I think that QBR is more fair. Obvi Josh didnt play great but I really didnt think he played the worst game of his career. For the first three drives he was on point throwing until it was goal to go. He racked up so many incompletes at the goal line before he just ran it in. Many balls went right off of players hands. Sure than can be on him but also he was putting the ball where it needed to be at least. Then two tipped pass ints and we basically abandoned the pass all together.

 

After that he was dominant as a rusher. Usually a 17 rating with 3 ints means you won despite your QB play. But I dont think we win that game without JA.

That's all fine and dandy, but this WAS one of Allen's worst games. That's fine, because we still got the win. Even in one of his worst games he was able to overcome it and still make some plays.

 

A rating of 61 is ridiculous, though. Aaron Rodgers is at 67 for the season. 50 is supposed to be average. The dude threw three interceptions and had less than 50% completion percentage. QBR highly overrates rushing stats.

[jletha]

8 minutes ago, MJS said:

That's all fine and dandy, but this WAS one of Allen's worst games. That's fine, because we still got the win. Even in one of his worst games he was able to overcome it and still make some plays.

 

A rating of 61 is ridiculous, though. Aaron Rodgers is at 67 for the season. 50 is supposed to be average. The dude threw three interceptions and had less than 50% completion percentage. QBR highly overrates rushing stats.

But the rushes were very useful. Many went for long gains, and he had two TDs off of them. How can you overrate rushes, especially ones that turn into scores? Are they any worse than passes? If you turned every JA running play into a pass with the same result in yards and scores he had a pretty good game. I dont think a 61 QBR is ridiculous but maybe its a bit high.He was dominant, it just wasnt through the air.

Edited January 3, 2022 by jletha