Does Any Team That Passed on Josh in 2018 Draft NOT Regret It?

[Fan in Chicago]

2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Almost four years out.  Regrets, there are a few.

NY Giants - Saquon Barkley.  Uh yeah.  Compounded mistake of picking a RB too high with a top ten pick of Daniel Jones the following year.  

 

Of the six teams (after Browns), I was most happy that Giants stupidly passed on a QB. This virtually guaranteed that Buffalo would get a top pick QB. Of course, at the time, I didnt know that the Bills wanted Allen or how good he would turn out to be

1 hour ago, djp14150 said:

 

but Buffalo passed on Mahomes

 

people in glass houses…..

That was not the question posed by the OP. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Almost four years out.  Regrets, there are a few.

 

Cleveland - Baker Mayfield.  Uh, yeah.  If they had picked Josh, their 2018 draft could have ranked with '74 Steelers (Allen, Ward, Nick Chubb).

NY Giants - Saquon Barkley.  Uh yeah.  Compounded mistake of picking a RB too high with a top ten pick of Daniel Jones the following year.  

NY Jets - Sam Darnold.  Uh, yeah.

Cleveland- D. Ward.  If they had drafted Allen #1, this would have been an ok pick.

Denver - B. Chubb.  Uh yeah.  They decided that they were good with Case Keenum and have cycled through Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater (am I missing anyone?).

Indy - Q. Nelson.  This is at least an interesting discussion.  All Pro guard for next 10 years and future Hall of Famer.  Plus they've been able to plug in Rivers and Wentz for passable QB play.  On the whole, however, yeah.  

TB - Traded with Buff.  Took Vita Vea at #12 and picked up a couple of CB's in Round 2.  Also ended up clearing the way for Brady in a round about way.  Doubt there are any regrets here.  You win a Super Bowl, you don't ask what if.

Quentin Nelson is the only not miss...

[Fan in Chicago]

43 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

they all do, Colts fans may tell you otherwise with Nelson but in reality they'd swap players if they could all day long, and Tampa fans are content, but the ageless Brady has to retire at some point 

Bucs played it well and turned it into a SB victory. But the time to draft the Brady replacement is in the upcoming draft. While Brady looks ageless. no human is. 

Just now, Sherlock Holmes said:

Quentin Nelson is the only not miss...

I would argue that Chubb and Ward aren't either. But the OP's point still stands. in retrospect, Colts would pick Allen over him

[dhgold]

2 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

... how in the world did Elway miss on drafting Allen to the Broncos.  

 

I was wondering that during last Sunday's game as JA was reminding me of a young Elway.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

24 minutes ago, dhgold said:

 

I was wondering that during last Sunday's game as JA was reminding me of a young Elway.

 

When you want to be known as the best QB in Bronco history, you don’t draft any challengers.

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

Big thank you to John Elway for this....and for the pick-6 to Carlton Bailey...

It was almost a bigger thank you than what has been said so far:  If Bradley Chubb had been selected in the top 4, Elway would have traded the pick to the Bills for our 2 #1s & a #2.  Then the Bills would have drafted Josh at #5.  Not only was Elway not interested in drafting a QB, he was willing to trade the pick to a team that was trading up for a QB. 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Of the six teams (after Browns), I was most happy that Giants stupidly passed on a QB. This virtually guaranteed that Buffalo would get a top pick QB. Of course, at the time, I didnt know that the Bills wanted Allen or how good he would turn out to be

That was not the question posed by the OP. 

The Giants didn’t want to hurt Eli’s feelings.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

The Colts still had Luck though at the time, that's the only team on the list that I can't fault them for not taking Josh.  Was just having the discussion with a friend at the gym today about how in the world did Elway miss on drafting Allen to the Broncos.  

@Zerovoltz is pretty good at explaining how the Broncos screwed up the top of rhe 2018 draft.

 

I’ve always looked at it as just terrible timing for the Broncos. They just failed twice with big project QB’s in Oz and Lynch. And Lynch was mobile like Allen too. There was no way Elway could sell swinging for the fences again for a similar type prospect.
 

Of course the irony of it all is that even more so than Oz and Lynch, Elway could not have crafted his prototypical QB in his mind better than the real Josh Allen entering that draft. And coming out of Woyming of all schools! Right in their backyard.

 

 

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The Browns could've had Nelson at #1 and Allen at #4.

please tell me their GM from that draft is unemployed.

[RunTheBall]

1 hour ago, First Round Bust said:

 

The reigning first pick  - Baker 0- is a pocket qb who has and will have plenty of big games - reminds me of favre - pocket passer, limited mobility, gun-slinger - plays behind an outstanding line but not the best receiving corp ?

 

The best of the rest - Nelson - love this guy but a hall-of-fame guard versus hall-of-game qb ?  

 

 

 

You can’t seriously be putting Baker Mayfield’s name in the same sentence as Brett Favre can you? Favre was a 4th quarter hero, Baker SUCKS in the 4th and from behind, one of the worst in the league.  Name his big games, he’s got maybe 5 tops. He’s a near bust as a number one pick and the Browns are still going to swallow and ridiculously overpay him.

 

All you clowns who are still sucking on the “we could have had Mahomes” teat need to STFU. Mahomes is great, Allen is Buffalo. The guy is a better version of Jim Kelly and I LOVE me some Jimbo. When he’s done he’s going to be the greatest QB in franchise history - book it. 

 

It’s easy to judge in retrospect, but there is ZERO question that McD made the right call on passing up on Mahomes and we ended up with the best QB for Buffalo in Allen. Oh and oh yeah, an All Pro CB in Tre White in addition.

[bigK14094]

2 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

OK then...the Giants will not regret it after Barkley rips off 2500 yards next year...

It did take OJ a couple of seasons before he was tearing up the league.

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

This, and let’s not forget hindsight is 20/20.  Allen was an unknown and a ‘project’ QB (as labeled by the ‘experts’) coming out of college. I freaking love that we struck gold with Allen… but even many, many Bills fans thought we got the Wrong Josh when Goodell made that announcement…

 

Imagine the disaster if we had actually drafted Josh Rosen?  And I still wonder which QB we would’ve drafted if we had the #1 pick.

 

And I distinctly remember about 70% of this board wanting nothing to do with Allen because of the accuracy concerns.  

[CSBill]

40 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

And I distinctly remember about 70% of this board wanting nothing to do with Allen because of the accuracy concerns.  

I can proudly (and in full honesty) say, Josh Allen was the QB I wanted in that draft. And Lamar was my second choice.   Pretty confident they have been 1 & 2 from that draft. 

[TailgateChef]

2 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

This, and let’s not forget hindsight is 20/20.  Allen was an unknown and a ‘project’ QB (as labeled by the ‘experts’) coming out of college. I freaking love that we struck gold with Allen… but even many, many Bills fans thought we got the Wrong Josh when Goodell made that announcement…

 

Imagine the disaster if we had actually drafted Josh Rosen?  And I still wonder which QB we would’ve drafted if we had the #1 pick.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm in an alternate universe.  Because in my universe, the Bills always do this.

[streetkings01]

4 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

The Colts still had Luck though at the time, that's the only team on the list that I can't fault them for not taking Josh.  Was just having the discussion with a friend at the gym today about how in the world did Elway miss on drafting Allen to the Broncos.  

Crazy because it made so much sense.

[clearwater cadet]

Colts had Andrew Luck, why would the have pick JA

[billsfan89]

5 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

The Colts still had Luck though at the time, that's the only team on the list that I can't fault them for not taking Josh.  Was just having the discussion with a friend at the gym today about how in the world did Elway miss on drafting Allen to the Broncos.  

You can’t blame the Colts, they had no clue Luck who was proven and just 29 years old would retire after one season. They traded down picking up a pair of second round picks and got a great guard they thought would help protect a good young QB in his prime for the rest of his prime. It was the right move you just can only predict so much. Teams 1 to 5 have to feel like idiots.

[First Round Bust]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

 

You can’t seriously be putting Baker Mayfield’s name in the same sentence as Brett Favre can you? Favre was a 4th quarter hero, Baker SUCKS in the 4th and from behind, one of the worst in the league.  Name his big games, he’s got maybe 5 tops. He’s a near bust as a number one pick and the Browns are still going to swallow and ridiculously overpay him.

 

All you clowns who are still sucking on the “we could have had Mahomes” teat need to STFU. Mahomes is great, Allen is Buffalo. The guy is a better version of Jim Kelly and I LOVE me some Jimbo. When he’s done he’s going to be the greatest QB in franchise history - book it. 

 

It’s easy to judge in retrospect, but there is ZERO question that McD made the right call on passing up on Mahomes and we ended up with the best QB for Buffalo in Allen. Oh and oh yeah, an All Pro CB in Tre White in addition.

yeah is going to get paid and overpaid, like a ton of others..and he is 1-0 versus Josh Allen btw

browns made the playoffs with him for the first time in ever, and remain a good team in the hunt, he is playing hurt and even tho playing hurt and threw 4 picks last week they lost by 2 points to the packers on the road...he  also doesnt have a good WR crop to work, OBJ did not work out, they run the ball well but he is a limited pocket passer with no RPO and athleticism other than being a gun-slinger

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

It did take OJ a couple of seasons before he was tearing up the league.

OJ wasn't a walking injury, his problem was the Bills coaches.  Barkley is in his 4th season & has steadily declined since his rookie year.  

[Albany,n.y.]

4 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

This, and let’s not forget hindsight is 20/20.  Allen was an unknown and a ‘project’ QB (as labeled by the ‘experts’) coming out of college. I freaking love that we struck gold with Allen… but even many, many Bills fans thought we got the Wrong Josh when Goodell made that announcement…

 

Imagine the disaster if we had actually drafted Josh Rosen?  And I still wonder which QB we would’ve drafted if we had the #1 pick.

No need to wonder-Josh was #1 on their board per the leaked photo of their board that WGR showed.  They had 3 QBs they were willing to trade up for, in order Josh, Darnold & Mayfield.  Rosen was 4th, but they were only trading up to 5 (the original plan before Chubb was there for Denver) for the top three.  

 

Josh wasn't "unknown", everyone had him top 10 in mock drafts, even Mina Kimes who went nuts when the Bills took Allen over Rosen.  

Edited January 2, 2022 by Albany,n.y.

[BisonMan]

I'm not sure a that many of the teams above the Bills in that draft can actually regret not picking JA. The fact is that Allen was a "project" QB of sorts. He had all the physical talent but lacked refinement. The key to the Bills' success with Allen was both his own internal drive to be better (off-season work on mechanics, etc.) and the team's willingness to help him grow and build an offense around his skills. That takes the right GM, the right coaches (McD, Daboll and others), the right scheme, the right complementary pieces and patience. 

 

I'm wholly unconvinced that almost any of the teams above the Bills in that draft had the leadership to succeed with Josh. Would Josh fail in bigger city with more unrelenting media? Would he have succeeded with the coaches on the other teams over the last several years? Would they make a change at OC to help better develop their potential Franchise QB? Besides limited physical skills, one of the reasons Mayfield has not excelled is franchise instability and poor coaching. Darnold suffered a worse fate and so would have Josh if drafted by the Jets. I'd say the same about the Broncos.

 

Lots of things had to be architected for Josh to become the player he has, and the franchise deserves a lot of credit for that. That's ownership, coaching and management. Plus, an awesome football town that made JA feel right at home. 

 

My 2 cents.