Big Ben might, might not, maybe, but probably retiring.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

8 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Uh-oh, better keep him away from restaurant and bar bathrooms now that he is done with the pigskin...

 

 

[BillsShredder83]

55 minutes ago, Fallser said:

 

Case: Philadelphia in 2020 drafting a 2nd round QB behind their franchise QB. Chaos ensues. 

 

That'd be my reason why they didn't. 

Yeah big Ben doesn't play nice with others either. Am I remembering correctly a quote about him not talking to or not willing to help Rudolph as a rookie?

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

Strange thing to say when they still have a reasonable shot at the division.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Yeah big Ben doesn't play nice with others either. Am I remembering correctly a quote about him not talking to or not willing to help Rudolph as a rookie?

 

He said something to the effect of "it isn't my job to mentor him" or "it isn't my job to develop him"

[frostbitmic]

Rodgers to Pittsburgh

Wilson to NYG

Watson to New Orleans when his legal troubles end

Garoppolo to Houston

Trubisky or Darnold to Seattle

 

Just guessing where the musical chairs QB edition ends up as their isn't much in this years QB class.

[uninja]

5 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Strange thing to say when they still have a reasonable shot at the division.

Big Ben is old and looks it. We know it, he knows it. Even if for some miracle they win the division or go to the playoffs do Big Ben and the Steelers scare you?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Possibly?

[Big Turk]

I mean he has been terrible, why would Pittsburgh even want him back...it's time to accept he doesn't have it.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

Cue the Russell Wilson to Steelers rumors.

Makes entirely too much sense to me, he would be perfect for them and vise versa.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Jeebus, this would be a great question on the old 'The McLaughlin Group'!

[Albany,n.y.]

14 minutes ago, ElMarko said:

I’ll never forget Cower throwing their final game (in OT) in order to get ahead of the Bills - knowing both teams would be drafting QBs a few months later. 

Donahoe's fault for not offering enough for a top 10 team to trade down.  If he had traded pick 13 & the picks he used to trade up for JP, someone would have traded a top 10 pick to the Bills.  On the point table pick 13 is 1150, pick 43 is 470, pick 144 is 34.  for the 2005 #1, pick 20 is worth 850 or using the philosophy that a pick a year away is worth a round less pick 52 is worth 380 points.  So Donahoe could have offered at least 2034 points with 4 picks & had Roethlisberger (who he wanted) instead of Lee Evans & JP Losman. Those 2034 points are worth more than picks 4 through 10. 

 

Now let's compare what the Bills gave up to move from 12 to 7 for Josh which is a very similar move to what Donahoe couldn't do. The Bills traded picks 12 (1,200), 53 (370) and 56 (340) for a total of 1910 points to get picks 7 (1,500) and 255 (1).  The Bills traded 1,910 points for 1,501 points, an overpayment of 409 points which is the equivalent of and early 2nd rounder, picks 49 or 50.  If Donahoe had overpaid by 409 points he could have moved up to at most 7th, giving him 4 opportunities to make an offer that would be hard to refuse before Pittsburgh picked. 

 

Don't blame Cowher for tanking, blame Donahoe for not realizing you have to overpay for a franchise QB.  Remember, Beane started out with the highest Bills pick at 21 (800 points) and managed to move it up to a 1500 point spot by overpaying to get Josh.  Beane moved mountains to get his man, Donahoe sat on his hands and then made it worse with the panic move to get JP Losman after losing out on Roethlisberger by 2 spots in the draft.    

[LABILLBACKER]

One more retirement announcement and he gets the coveted 5 jacket.

[transient]

18 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Strange thing to say when they still have a reasonable shot at the division.

He only made the comment after consulting the ESPN NFL Playoff Machine, Wade Phillips edition.

[Captain Hindsight]

6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Donahoe's fault for not offering enough for a top 10 team to trade down.  If he had traded pick 13 & the picks he used to trade up for JP, someone would have traded a top 10 pick to the Bills.  On the point table pick 13 is 1150, pick 43 is 470, pick 144 is 34.  for the 2005 #1, pick 20 is worth 850 or using the philosophy that a pick a year away is worth a round less pick 52 is worth 380 points.  So Donahoe could have offered at least 2034 points with 4 picks & had Roethlisberger (who he wanted) instead of Lee Evans & JP Losman. Those 2034 points are worth more than picks 4 through 10. 

 

Now let's compare what the Bills gave up to move from 12 to 7 for Josh which is a very similar move to what Donahoe couldn't do. The Bills traded picks 12 (1,200), 53 (370) and 56 (340) for a total of 1910 points to get picks 7 (1,500) and 255 (1).  The Bills traded 1,910 points for 1,501 points, an overpayment of 409 points which is the equivalent of and early 2nd rounder, picks 49 or 50.  If Donahoe had overpaid by 409 points he could have moved up to at most 7th, giving him 4 opportunities to make an offer that would be hard to refuse before Pittsburgh picked. 

 

Don't blame Cowher for tanking, blame Donahoe for not realizing you have to overpay for a franchise QB.  Remember, Beane started out with the highest Bills pick at 21 (800 points) and managed to move it up to a 1500 point spot by overpaying to get Josh.  Beane moved mountains to get his man, Donahoe sat on his hands and then made it worse with the panic move to get JP Losman after losing out on Roethlisberger by 2 spots in the draft.    

Because of Beanes move and how well its paid off, I'll never question when a team goes all in on a QB. Shoot your shot 

[Albany,n.y.]

25 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Yeah big Ben doesn't play nice with others either. Am I remembering correctly a quote about him not talking to or not willing to help Rudolph as a rookie?

Ben was PO'd when Rudolph was drafted.  Then he saw Rudolph play & had nothing to worry about.  😀 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

One more retirement announcement and he gets the coveted 5 jacket.

After some of his 'dating' reviews have been aired, he probably could use:

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

So, Joe Flacco is the Son of God?!  I am so confused! 🤔

 

He thinks he's Job!

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

34 minutes ago, uninja said:

Big Ben is old and looks it. We know it, he knows it. Even if for some miracle they win the division or go to the playoffs do Big Ben and the Steelers scare you?

No. The point is that he was talking about it being his final game at Heinz, but that won't be true if they win the division. Nothing to do with whether or not they are scary.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Kinda long overdue.

I don’t know.  He’s had some good games this year…he can still make plays, and certainly the Steelers have no better options.  

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

26 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Donahoe's fault for not offering enough for a top 10 team to trade down.  If he had traded pick 13 & the picks he used to trade up for JP, someone would have traded a top 10 pick to the Bills.  On the point table pick 13 is 1150, pick 43 is 470, pick 144 is 34.  for the 2005 #1, pick 20 is worth 850 or using the philosophy that a pick a year away is worth a round less pick 52 is worth 380 points.  So Donahoe could have offered at least 2034 points with 4 picks & had Roethlisberger (who he wanted) instead of Lee Evans & JP Losman. Those 2034 points are worth more than picks 4 through 10. 

 

Now let's compare what the Bills gave up to move from 12 to 7 for Josh which is a very similar move to what Donahoe couldn't do. The Bills traded picks 12 (1,200), 53 (370) and 56 (340) for a total of 1910 points to get picks 7 (1,500) and 255 (1).  The Bills traded 1,910 points for 1,501 points, an overpayment of 409 points which is the equivalent of and early 2nd rounder, picks 49 or 50.  If Donahoe had overpaid by 409 points he could have moved up to at most 7th, giving him 4 opportunities to make an offer that would be hard to refuse before Pittsburgh picked. 

 

Don't blame Cowher for tanking, blame Donahoe for not realizing you have to overpay for a franchise QB.  Remember, Beane started out with the highest Bills pick at 21 (800 points) and managed to move it up to a 1500 point spot by overpaying to get Josh.  Beane moved mountains to get his man, Donahoe sat on his hands and then made it worse with the panic move to get JP Losman after losing out on Roethlisberger by 2 spots in the draft.    

Here's an interesting question. Would you rather have Roethlisberger since 2004 and no Allen now or Allen now? Because if we had gotten Roethlisberger, we probably never would have gotten Allen.