BillsFanNC Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 I'm no republican, but this is good to see. Some of my professors at UB would really get under my skin by sprinkling their leftist ideology into lectures. Conservatives at UB
RuntheDamnBall Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 I'm no republican, but this is good to see. Some of my professors at UB would really get under my skin by sprinkling their leftist ideology into lectures. Conservatives at UB 326592[/snapback] If the conservatives would like to trade the Supreme Court, Congress, and the Executive Branch for a few English professorships, they can be my guest. (I am paraphrasing someone else's words here, but I agree with them). I am not quite sure what the problem is here. Conservatives complain a lot about a liberal presence on campuses, and it sounds an awful lot like the kind of PC liberal whining that they so often drone on about. Liberals have flocked to education while conservatives have traditionally opted for the more lucrative private sector. That has results. If you don't value the kind of education you get from more liberal professors, don't take those classes. Boycott those professors. The university will get the message. I don't get why the legal system needs to be brought into it just because conservative students feel bad that they aren't surrounded by more people like them. Now if teachers are grading students unfairly due to political preferences, that is another problem altogether and administrations should certainly be getting involved. Personally as an educator, I would welcome students who disagree with me and offer another perspective. I don't see the problem with intelligent discourse and the right to disagree.
Reuben Gant Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 The thing about college profs: there is a perception that there is some kind of "liberal orthodoxy," an oxymoron if I have ever heard one. Have you ever tried to get professors within a single department to agree on anything? Or an entire faculty? They can't. So I don't have too much time for Conservatives that feel like they aren't well represented. BOO-HOO! So sorry their feelings are hurt. They'll have to get by with all three branches of government on their side.
Johnny Coli Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 Sounds like they could use an affirmative action program.
RuntheDamnBall Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 Sounds like they could use an affirmative action program. 326773[/snapback]
/dev/null Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 there is a definite liberal bias on college administrations. by nature liberals are drawn to academia while conservatives are drawn to the real world. As long as they grade students on their merits and not on ideology and teach an objective cirriculum, who care's what party they belong to? unfortunately thats not always the case i had an experience in a public speaking class. the professor said the focus was on public speaking and wasn't concerned so much with the content, what you said, or where you got your info from as he was in how you presented it. anyway, we had to give a short 5 minute speech during each class and he and the rest of the class would write a short critique which he handed to us at the end of class. i had this particular class during a spring semester, and around april 15th i gave a short speech on taxes and big government. i must have struck a nerve. his critique had very little to do with the presentation as it did on the content. i recall something in his critique about rush limbaugh and something about better understanding when i'm older. the other students were more supportive, i recall getting a couple "preach on!" and "tell it like it is!" type critiques mixed in with critiques of my speaking ability it was awhile ago, but i recall in general i got low Bs to high Cs on my speechs (i suck at public speaking). on that one he gave me a C-, and i had either a B- or C+ final grade
BuckeyeBill Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 Sometimes students don't have a choice. They have to take a specific course at a specific time...like my fiancee'. She took at Theater course... according to the course registration description and syllabus it was going to study theater, plays, movies, etc. Sounds like fun, right? It was required, and she was looking forward to it. Her professor turned out to be a shameless homo-sexual. He forced his students to watch basically pornographic sex scenes between two men; then afterwards asked the students (especially the ones who were struggling... like my fiancee') why they were squirming during the sex scenes. When my fiancee' was cornered by the teacher in the middle of class for her opinion. She answered that she didn't feel it was appropriate and she believed that homosexuality was a choice. The teacher attacked her so hard, embarrassed her... mocked her viewpoint... and after the class was over, she came to me and was crying... bawling. This teacher even questioned the sexuality of one of his students in the middle of class. I don't care if you are a liberal, a conservative, a homosexual, or straight... if you attack someone visciously for what they think... what they morally believe, I have a problem with that!
RuntheDamnBall Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 there is a definite liberal bias on college administrations. by nature liberals are drawn to academia while conservatives are drawn to the real world. As long as they grade students on their merits and not on ideology and teach an objective cirriculum, who care's what party they belong to? unfortunately thats not always the case i had an experience in a public speaking class. the professor said the focus was on public speaking and wasn't concerned so much with the content, what you said, or where you got your info from as he was in how you presented it. anyway, we had to give a short 5 minute speech during each class and he and the rest of the class would write a short critique which he handed to us at the end of class. i had this particular class during a spring semester, and around april 15th i gave a short speech on taxes and big government. i must have struck a nerve. his critique had very little to do with the presentation as it did on the content. i recall something in his critique about rush limbaugh and something about better understanding when i'm older. the other students were more supportive, i recall getting a couple "preach on!" and "tell it like it is!" type critiques mixed in with critiques of my speaking ability it was awhile ago, but i recall in general i got low Bs to high Cs on my speechs (i suck at public speaking). on that one he gave me a C-, and i had either a B- or C+ final grade 326786[/snapback] Too bad you had an experience like that. I hope you let him have it in the year-end evaluations. I also would have approached the department head about that one.
Gene Frenkle Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 by nature liberals are drawn to academia while conservatives are drawn to the real world. 326786[/snapback] Man, generalizations are great! By real world, do you mean NASCAR races, cross burnings, anti-evolution "theory" rallies or Jimmy Swaggart tour events? wait...I know...I need more cowbell
RuntheDamnBall Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 I don't care if you are a liberal, a conservative, a homosexual, or straight... if you attack someone visciously for what they think... what they morally believe, I have a problem with that! 326809[/snapback] Hypothetically, if a teacher called a gay student a "fag" or something of the like, would you say you had a problem with that?
BillsFanNC Posted May 3, 2005 Author Posted May 3, 2005 If you don't value the kind of education you get from more liberal professors, don't take those classes. Boycott those professors. The university will get the message. 326722[/snapback] If I had done that there wouldn't have been any classes to choose from to fulfill my graduation requirements.
RuntheDamnBall Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 If I had done that there wouldn't have been any classes to choose from to fulfill my graduation requirements. 326865[/snapback] Honestly, there weren't enough professors who weren't raving about an agenda to get a quality education? I somehow doubt that.
KD in CA Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 Too bad you had an experience like that. I hope you let him have it in the year-end evaluations. I also would have approached the department head about that one. 326812[/snapback] Unlikely that the department head would be any more sympathetic given the probability that they hold a similar POV to the prof. I had a similar experience when I attended a private high school populated with a very liberal faculty. I was given a D on a well written paper for no other reason than the conservative point of view I took on the issue. Just to test my theory, a few months later I wrote a paper supporting a liberal stance and received an A from the same teacher for the same quality paper. Now of course most college level students are intelligent enough to see through the b.s. agendas of the profs who are more interested in pushing their views instead of educating (and IMO create as many hard core conservatives as they do hard core liberals in the process), but what is not right is that on many campuses the minority conservative students are not allowed equal time. They are routinely shouted down and attacked on college campuses and the faculties and administrators often ignore those problems. Idiots like Ward Churchill are made out to be heroes by the lefties who ignore their once cherished ideals of freedom of expression and exchange of ideas.
/dev/null Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 Too bad you had an experience like that. I hope you let him have it in the year-end evaluations. I also would have approached the department head about that one. 326812[/snapback] didn't really bother me, it was a required course to fill some liberal arts. didn't affect my major one bit.
/dev/null Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 Man, generalizations are great! By real world, do you mean NASCAR races, cross burnings, anti-evolution "theory" rallies or Jimmy Swaggart tour events? wait...I know...I need more cowbell 326840[/snapback] i seem to have struck a nerve with Gene Frenkle... whatever his real username is
BillsFanNC Posted May 3, 2005 Author Posted May 3, 2005 Honestly, there weren't enough professors who weren't raving about an agenda to get a quality education? I somehow doubt that. 326873[/snapback] I don't know I didn't survey all of them before registering. From personal experience however, in about 3/4 of my general education requirement courses the profs let their political views be known early and often during the course of their lectures. All of them leaned very far left.
Terry Tate Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 If the conservatives would like to trade the Supreme Court, Congress, and the Executive Branch for a few English professorships, they can be my guest. (I am paraphrasing someone else's words here, but I agree with them). You and "someone else" may want to recognize that none of the institutions you've listed are controlled by conservatives.
BuckeyeBill Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 Hypothetically, if a teacher called a gay student a "fag" or something of the like, would you say you had a problem with that? 326849[/snapback] I would have a problem with a teacher condemning the kid for what she believed, making her embarrassed in front of the entire class... and leaving with tears in her eyes. If a teacher called a student a fag and it caused what I just wrote. You bet I'd have a problem with that.
RuntheDamnBall Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 You and "someone else" may want to recognize that none of the institutions you've listed are controlled by conservatives. 327016[/snapback] True enough. We'll substitute "Republicans," then, who have aligned themselves with conservatives. It's quite a trick they've pulled off. I actually have zero problems with conservatives and agree with a lot of conservative tenets. Just completely at odds on the social issues.
RuntheDamnBall Posted May 3, 2005 Posted May 3, 2005 I would have a problem with a teacher condemning the kid for what she believed, making her embarrassed in front of the entire class... and leaving with tears in her eyes. If a teacher called a student a fag and it caused what I just wrote. You bet I'd have a problem with that. 327035[/snapback] I'm glad to hear that. Sorry to hear about your wife's experience. It sounds like the teacher was a real piece of work. It's unfortunate that people like that can kind of taint the impressions of a whole subset of society with their actions.
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